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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2023 17:19:06 GMT
The Two State idea was in fact just a division of two Jurisdictions where neither had the authority to ban members from, or interfere with the religion of members from the other State. Simply put Jews would have the right to continue to live freely in the Arab State, and ditto the Arabs in the Israeli state. There are incidentally around 1.5 million Arabs living in Israel, and hundreds of Arabs entering and leaving Israel each week as part of the Israeli workforce. You clearly dont understand the rights as well as the responsibilities of official statehood. Please control your rhetorical consternation. I have explained the workings of the two state solution offered by the UN in 1947. Please stop turning reality into your own personal world mindset. Are you brave enough to reveal your age ? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2023 17:21:22 GMT
Your last comment makes you unworthy of a response to your post. And still you fail to either condemn or attempt to excuse or justify Israeli land thefts. Which makes your bias obvious. You still haven't clicked have you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 17:23:51 GMT
And still you fail to either condemn or attempt to excuse or justify Israeli land thefts. Which makes your bias obvious. You still haven't clicked have you. And you are still burying your head in the sand and failed when asked to give any meaningful response to the question of Israeli land thefts. Pitifully weak and feeble, not to mention hopelessly biased. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 17:29:29 GMT
You clearly dont understand the rights as well as the responsibilities of official statehood. Please control your rhetorical consternation. I have explained the workings of the two state solution offered by the UN in 1947.
Please stop turning reality into your own personal world mindset. Go give your head a wobble. It is a bit rich you accusing anyone else of that when on this issue in particular you are by some distance the most obvious example of someone turning reality into your own personal world mindset. For one thing you have proven wholly incapable of even acknowledging the reality of settler land thefts because it does not fit in with your personal world mindset. Against stiff competition, you are without doubt the most one sidedly biased one here, certainly on this issue. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 7, 2023 17:31:40 GMT
You clearly dont understand the rights as well as the responsibilities of official statehood. Please control your rhetorical consternation. I have explained the workings of the two state solution offered by the UN in 1947. Please stop turning reality into your own personal world mindset. Are you brave enough to reveal your age ? Unbelievable. Still "not discussing" and diving into the personal instead. I have no idea why what was proposed in 1947 has any relevance today, either to the current war or the incessant land thefts which have exacerbated Palestinian hatred. THE SOLUTION NEVER HAPPENED. Instead isreal overran Palestine in 1948 and drove 600,000 people out of land that was not theirs. Do you make a habit of having an aggressive dispute about the dispute? I dont. Find a mirror and make yourself happy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 7, 2023 17:44:15 GMT
I'm struggling to see the logic in your position. What is the cut off time that means that some land thefts are an issue compared with those that are not? What date are you using for this criteria? That the land thefts are still ongoing and that most of those Jews living there were not born there is a significant factor. That you seem to see no problem with it, and think its okay to steal someones land in the knowledge that time will legitimise it, using as justification the example of Soviet ethnic cleansing, has the rancid stink of partisanism, justifying all wrongs by one side wghilst condemning all wrongs by the other. I'm not justifying anything - simply trying to understand your position that some land thefts should be reversed but others not. If there is a cut off time for land thefts then what is it? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 7, 2023 18:33:50 GMT
Either criticise Hamas AND Likud, or shut up. Both sides are killing civilians. I for one would be happy to condemn both. You see I can recognise wrongs on both sides, which see 2 and his ilk are wholly incapable of. In spite of repeated attempts I have yet to get him to say anything about the Jewish settler land thefts, either to deny them or justify them. In the face of facts that dont fit his entirely pro-Israel, right or wrong, bias, his modus operandi appears to be to stick his fingers in his ears whilst singing "Lalala, I cant hear you." And refers to the very asking of a question internationally recognised as a problem, as "nonsense". Not so much as an attempt to explain why such a question is nonsense of course. At least you and others can be relied upon to acknowledge the issue and seek to put some kind of explanation forward in Israel's defence, even if you do not acknowledge it as a problem. Pretending awkward questions he has no answer to to be nonsense is typical of the modus operandi of see 2, for whom I consequently have very little respect, because this makes him both morally and intellectually dishonest in the extreme. Fair. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 19:25:21 GMT
That the land thefts are still ongoing and that most of those Jews living there were not born there is a significant factor. That you seem to see no problem with it, and think its okay to steal someones land in the knowledge that time will legitimise it, using as justification the example of Soviet ethnic cleansing, has the rancid stink of partisanism, justifying all wrongs by one side wghilst condemning all wrongs by the other. I'm not justifying anything - simply trying to understand your position that some land thefts should be reversed but others not. If there is a cut off time for land thefts then what is it? I think simple common sense dictates that for as long as it is considered illegal under international law, it should be reversed. As for cut off points, when you have a situation where successive generations have lived somewhere and the displaced have mostly died, you have a de facto cut off. As these thefts are ongoing with your apparent approval in the absence of any justification whatsoever, it is am injustice happening today which is obviously an integral part of the mutual wrongs by both sides in the region And frankly you are not trying to understand my position at all, you are deliberately trying hard not to for partisan purposes, which is actually more transparent than you think/ May I ask you, when is a land theft not OK? When it is not Israel doing it perhaps? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2023 21:26:18 GMT
You still haven't clicked have you. And you are still burying your head in the sand and failed when asked to give any meaningful response to the question of Israeli land thefts. Pitifully weak and feeble, not to mention hopelessly biased. Its your childishness that is the hold up, not me. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2023 21:29:56 GMT
I have explained the workings of the two state solution offered by the UN in 1947.
Please stop turning reality into your own personal world mindset. Go give your head a wobble. It is a bit rich you accusing anyone else of that when on this issue in particular you are by some distance the most obvious example of someone turning reality into your own personal world mindset. For one thing you have proven wholly incapable of even acknowledging the reality of settler land thefts because it does not fit in with your personal world mindset. Against stiff competition, you are without doubt the most one sidedly biased one here, certainly on this issue. More childishness from you ^^^, and you expect me to debate with you, silly boy. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2023 21:41:25 GMT
I for one would be happy to condemn both. You see I can recognise wrongs on both sides, which see 2 and his ilk are wholly incapable of. In spite of repeated attempts I have yet to get him to say anything about the Jewish settler land thefts, either to deny them or justify them. In the face of facts that dont fit his entirely pro-Israel, right or wrong, bias, his modus operandi appears to be to stick his fingers in his ears whilst singing "Lalala, I cant hear you." And refers to the very asking of a question internationally recognised as a problem, as "nonsense". Not so much as an attempt to explain why such a question is nonsense of course. At least you and others can be relied upon to acknowledge the issue and seek to put some kind of explanation forward in Israel's defence, even if you do not acknowledge it as a problem. Pretending awkward questions he has no answer to to be nonsense is typical of the modus operandi of see 2, for whom I consequently have very little respect, because this makes him both morally and intellectually dishonest in the extreme. Fair. No, stupid and immature is what it is. The reality is that I have had too much unnecessary insults from him in the past, and I am not prepared to indulge in debate with him until he drops his OBSESSIVE need to insult me. Which is fair given that this is the Mind Zone. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 7, 2023 21:56:01 GMT
I have explained the workings of the two state solution offered by the UN in 1947. Please stop turning reality into your own personal world mindset. Are you brave enough to reveal your age ? Unbelievable. Still "not discussing" and diving into the personal instead. I have no idea why what was proposed in 1947 has any relevance today, either to the current war or the incessant land thefts which have exacerbated Palestinian hatred. THE SOLUTION NEVER HAPPENED. Instead isreal overran Palestine in 1948 and drove 600,000 people out of land that was not theirs. Do you make a habit of having an aggressive dispute about the dispute? I dont. Find a mirror and make yourself happy. My post was not aggressive, it was informative, offering information you are clearly not aware of. 1947 was relevant to the comments in your post! I know it never happened that's why the Arabs and the Israelis are in the mess they are in today. It never happened because the Arabs rejected it which left the Israelis with no option other than to declare independence. Bearing in mind that the Quran says that Palestine was given to the Jews, it is the Arabs that were in the wrong. Israel did not drive 600,000 people out of their land, that is Arab propaganda. There was a clash of two powerful armies about to take place, the People in between them were intelligent enough to get out of the way. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 7, 2023 22:14:15 GMT
I'm not justifying anything - simply trying to understand your position that some land thefts should be reversed but others not. If there is a cut off time for land thefts then what is it? I think simple common sense dictates that for as long as it is considered illegal under international law, it should be reversed. As for cut off points, when you have a situation where successive generations have lived somewhere and the displaced have mostly died, you have a de facto cut off. As these thefts are ongoing with your apparent approval in the absence of any justification whatsoever, it is am injustice happening today which is obviously an integral part of the mutual wrongs by both sides in the region And frankly you are not trying to understand my position at all, you are deliberately trying hard not to for partisan purposes, which is actually more transparent than you think/ May I ask you, when is a land theft not OK? When it is not Israel doing it perhaps? I'm not approving anything - I have been in favour of a 2 state solution for decades and if the Palestinians had accepted that solution most of the land thefts in the West Bank would not have occurred. If you continually refuse any peace deal in favour of demanding all of the region then is it really surprising that the other side take you at your word and also try and grab as much territory as possible?. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 22:18:31 GMT
Israel should annexe all the land they won in war. They should annexe Gaza and Judea and Samaria. It would give the UN something else to rant about. After all, the UN focus on Israel more than any other country in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 7:38:53 GMT
And you are still burying your head in the sand and failed when asked to give any meaningful response to the question of Israeli land thefts. Pitifully weak and feeble, not to mention hopelessly biased. Its your childishness that is the hold up, not me. You're the one who is too much of a moral coward to address the settler land theft issue. |
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