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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 16:38:27 GMT
None of which you can prove, and all of which looks close to being far right paranoia. By which your opponents don't think what they say they think at all, but something much more sinister which you choose to think they really think. I think this says more about your mindset than theirs. I guess everything you disagree with is labelled "far-right" and "racist", which sums up the level of intelligence from the sort of people who are demanding we respect Hamas. Well everything you disagree with is labelled "far left" and "woke". So there we are. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2023 17:22:06 GMT
I can prove most of it to the degree needed to remove all but the uncertainty intrinsic to such a claim about motivation. Remember, immediately after Hamas barbecued Jewish people. and before Israel reacted, there were demonstrations of support in London and other western cities. None of which demonstrates that such views are mainstream on the left as you are trying to imply. Neither myself nor any of the left wing comrades I know ever uttered a word in favour of what Hamas did, let alone demonstrated in support of it. You are reading far too much into people like me because of a few twats. But then, that tends to be the modus operandi of much of the right, so par for the course. I'm not talking about you personally or whatever personal stances you maintain you have, I'm talking about the underlying emotional motivations for the movement's support. That people would come out into the streets to celebrate a human barbecue, shows that significant strand of those motivations are pretty close to what I outline (ie a race war). |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 13, 2023 17:25:47 GMT
None of which demonstrates that such views are mainstream on the left as you are trying to imply. Neither myself nor any of the left wing comrades I know ever uttered a word in favour of what Hamas did, let alone demonstrated in support of it. You are reading far too much into people like me because of a few twats. But then, that tends to be the modus operandi of much of the right, so par for the course. I'm not talking about you personally or whatever personal stances you maintain you have, I'm talking about the underlying emotional motivations for the movement's support. That people would come out into the streets to celebrate a human barbecue, shows that significant strand of those motivations are pretty close to what I outline. Anyone who sees this as a one sided thing, is not interested in the suffering of both peoples led by a terrible political bias. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 17:31:13 GMT
None of which demonstrates that such views are mainstream on the left as you are trying to imply. Neither myself nor any of the left wing comrades I know ever uttered a word in favour of what Hamas did, let alone demonstrated in support of it. You are reading far too much into people like me because of a few twats. But then, that tends to be the modus operandi of much of the right, so par for the course. I'm not talking about you personally or whatever personal stances you maintain you have, I'm talking about the underlying emotional motivations for the movement's support. That people would come out into the streets to celebrate a human barbecue, shows that significant strand of those motivations are pretty close to what I outline. No it does not. That is just you seeking to tar as many as possible with the brush of the few who celebrated. I and the many fellow left wingers I know can speak far more accurately and authoritatively about what we on the left think. You are just extrapolating what you want to extrapolate from a few idiots dancing in the streets. I never even saw this reported so the numbers must have been limited. In fact, how about posting a link with some evidence so I can evaluate it myself? Otherwise I will wonder of you are talking shit, or believing shit you want to believe from dubious sources. So come on, where did you hear about it? Show me so I can see it for myself instead of doing your usual act of posting emotive shite you either invented or heard somewhere and not being able to back it up. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 13, 2023 17:49:10 GMT
I'm not talking about you personally or whatever personal stances you maintain you have, I'm talking about the underlying emotional motivations for the movement's support. That people would come out into the streets to celebrate a human barbecue, shows that significant strand of those motivations are pretty close to what I outline. No it does not. That is just you seeking to tar as many as possible with the brush of the few who celebrated. I and the many fellow left wingers I know can speak far more accurately and authoritatively about what we on the left think. You are just extrapolating what you want to extrapolate from a few idiots dancing in the streets. I never even saw this reported so the numbers must have been limited. In fact, how about posting a link with some evidence so I can evaluate it myself? Otherwise I will wonder of you are talking shit, or believing shit you want to believe from dubious sources. So come on, where did you hear about it? Show me so I can see it for myself instead of doing your usual act of posting emotive shite you either invented or heard somewhere and not being able to back it up. I recall this one specifically, there are many more. www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/10/09/police-to-investigate-speech-at-palestinian-rally-in-brighton/Police are reviewing footage of a speech made at a protest in Brighton on Sunday which described Hamas’s attack on Israel as “beautiful” and a “success”. No one in the campaign meeting objected and there were quite a few there. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 17:58:41 GMT
No it does not. That is just you seeking to tar as many as possible with the brush of the few who celebrated. I and the many fellow left wingers I know can speak far more accurately and authoritatively about what we on the left think. You are just extrapolating what you want to extrapolate from a few idiots dancing in the streets. I never even saw this reported so the numbers must have been limited. In fact, how about posting a link with some evidence so I can evaluate it myself? Otherwise I will wonder of you are talking shit, or believing shit you want to believe from dubious sources. So come on, where did you hear about it? Show me so I can see it for myself instead of doing your usual act of posting emotive shite you either invented or heard somewhere and not being able to back it up. I recall this one specifically, there are many more. www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/10/09/police-to-investigate-speech-at-palestinian-rally-in-brighton/Police are reviewing footage of a speech made at a protest in Brighton on Sunday which described Hamas’s attack on Israel as “beautiful” and a “success”. No one in the campaign meeting objected and there were quite a few there. Thanks for that. But I never disputed that there were likely to be a few Hamas supporters amongst the protestestors. And as you say, the police are investigating. But I was asking the oracle to provide evidence for his claim that people were in the streets celebrating the killings as soon as they heard of them. None has yet been forthcoming. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 18:35:52 GMT
I guess everything you disagree with is labelled "far-right" and "racist", which sums up the level of intelligence from the sort of people who are demanding we respect Hamas. Well everything you disagree with is labelled "far left" and "woke". So there we are. Good grief, but at least you admit to it. For the record I do call it out, but to be accused of racism when I haven't been racist, or far-right, when the only description offered are some blokes who drink in a pub, then I just can't take it seriously. I'm not even a pub dweller and don't really drink except on a few social occasions. Drunks make lousy programmers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 18:49:12 GMT
None of which demonstrates that such views are mainstream on the left as you are trying to imply. Neither myself nor any of the left wing comrades I know ever uttered a word in favour of what Hamas did, let alone demonstrated in support of it. You are reading far too much into people like me because of a few twats. But then, that tends to be the modus operandi of much of the right, so par for the course. I'm not talking about you personally or whatever personal stances you maintain you have, I'm talking about the underlying emotional motivations for the movement's support. That people would come out into the streets to celebrate a human barbecue, shows that significant strand of those motivations are pretty close to what I outline (ie a race war). It certainly isn't anything I have witnessed in our country before. I am absolutely appalled at those who supported this behaviour, and yet it's practically glorified by a lot of the mainstream media and politics, who are far more interested in searching for the so-called far-right. If this is what embracing multiculturalism means then it needs to be eradicated before we lose another generation to the backward barbaric cult. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2023 18:52:15 GMT
According to our lefties , the far right is a hundred or so pissed up pub goers that wanted to get into the cenotaph .
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Post by sandypine on Nov 13, 2023 18:52:37 GMT
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2023 19:08:48 GMT
I'm not talking about you personally or whatever personal stances you maintain you have, I'm talking about the underlying emotional motivations for the movement's support. That people would come out into the streets to celebrate a human barbecue, shows that significant strand of those motivations are pretty close to what I outline. No it does not. That is just you seeking to tar as many as possible with the brush of the few who celebrated. I and the many fellow left wingers I know can speak far more accurately and authoritatively about what we on the left think. It doesn't seem to make any difference here how many times i tell you i'm not talking about you specifically. My theory is that these people took to the streets because the massacre - which comprised brown people murdering large numbers of white adjacent people in a rebellion - activated a trained BLM 'show support' reflex. People on this board showed support for the same reason - ie they have been trained. What is your theory? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 19:16:54 GMT
Thanks for that. It certainly does tend to suggest that some people in London celebrated the attacks, so it is probable that this happened elsewhere too. But in response to both you and Orac, it was always likely that there would be a few such idiots around, but the reports do not tend to indicate that the numbers were large. That this occurred should not be used as an excuse to criticise more widely than those idiots. It certainly should not be laid at the door of all supporters of the oppressed Palestinians, nor the left in general. If neither of you is doing that then I accept that. And I will most unreservedly condemn those prats who celebrated terrorist murders of civilians. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 13, 2023 21:04:28 GMT
Thanks for that. It certainly does tend to suggest that some people in London celebrated the attacks, so it is probable that this happened elsewhere too. But in response to both you and Orac, it was always likely that there would be a few such idiots around, but the reports do not tend to indicate that the numbers were large. That this occurred should not be used as an excuse to criticise more widely than those idiots. It certainly should not be laid at the door of all supporters of the oppressed Palestinians, nor the left in general. If neither of you is doing that then I accept that. And I will most unreservedly condemn those prats who celebrated terrorist murders of civilians. It is the inability or unwillingness for the main campaign to separate themselves out from the anti Jewish and general Jew hatred that seems to be an integral part of the Palestinian cause and comes from within it largely uncontested. THis flies in the face of the normal leftish cry of zero tolerance for racism and the scum comments that frequently are attached to those who may say 'I think immigration is a bit high' and the moves to cancel, deplatform, debank, ostracise and remove from employment such people. Most thinking people see it as leftish hypocrisy writ large. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 23:36:26 GMT
Thanks for that. It certainly does tend to suggest that some people in London celebrated the attacks, so it is probable that this happened elsewhere too. But in response to both you and Orac, it was always likely that there would be a few such idiots around, but the reports do not tend to indicate that the numbers were large. That this occurred should not be used as an excuse to criticise more widely than those idiots. It certainly should not be laid at the door of all supporters of the oppressed Palestinians, nor the left in general. If neither of you is doing that then I accept that. And I will most unreservedly condemn those prats who celebrated terrorist murders of civilians. It is the inability or unwillingness for the main campaign to separate themselves out from the anti Jewish and general Jew hatred that seems to be an integral part of the Palestinian cause and comes from within it largely uncontested. THis flies in the face of the normal leftish cry of zero tolerance for racism and the scum comments that frequently are attached to those who may say 'I think immigration is a bit high' and the moves to cancel, deplatform, debank, ostracise and remove from employment such people. Most thinking people see it as leftish hypocrisy writ large. Everytime this is brought up they ignore it, and carry on with their hypocrisy without a shred of decency. This is what the good people are up against, and it's vile. I see it on here, Lefties who are totally up themselves and play the moral superior siding with anti-semitism and racism for their own cause. These people demand no respect and only lie, taunt and behave in ways that are clearly shameless. They vouch for Islamism 100% and this is because they are actually worse than Islamists, because at least the Islamists are honest about their intentions. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 0:01:37 GMT
Thanks for that. It certainly does tend to suggest that some people in London celebrated the attacks, so it is probable that this happened elsewhere too. But in response to both you and Orac, it was always likely that there would be a few such idiots around, but the reports do not tend to indicate that the numbers were large. That this occurred should not be used as an excuse to criticise more widely than those idiots. It certainly should not be laid at the door of all supporters of the oppressed Palestinians, nor the left in general. If neither of you is doing that then I accept that. And I will most unreservedly condemn those prats who celebrated terrorist murders of civilians. It is the inability or unwillingness for the main campaign to separate themselves out from the anti Jewish and general Jew hatred that seems to be an integral part of the Palestinian cause and comes from within it largely uncontested. THis flies in the face of the normal leftish cry of zero tolerance for racism and the scum comments that frequently are attached to those who may say 'I think immigration is a bit high' and the moves to cancel, deplatform, debank, ostracise and remove from employment such people. Most thinking people see it as leftish hypocrisy writ large. Well in actual fact many companies especially in public facing roles expect their employees to refrain from anything that could be construed as hate speech online. Some of the opinions expressed by some of the opponents of immigration would get them the sack in my line of work if not posted anonymously. If I were for example to say openly under my own name on social media that there are too many Muslims living here I would probably be dismissed. As one colleague was several years ago for equating Muslims with terrorists, in spite of the fact that we had a thoroughly decent and respected Muslim work colleague at the time. And this has nothing to do with left wing cancel culture and everything to do with a profit making business protecting it's interests by not allowing identifiable employees to be negative about colleagues or any part of its customer base online. And I assure you the people in charge of Tesco, Sainsburys, Asda and all the rest are hard nosed capitalists, not lefty liberal woke socialist types. It's just the way things are. |
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