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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 27, 2023 13:38:10 GMT
I've been astonished by the amount of anti-semitism there is in Britain. The reaction to Israel's justified response after the terrorist attacks of Hamas on Oct 7th has revealed that anti-semitism is everywhere in Britain. I always knew that the muslims (I lived in the UAE for years), the Lefties and the BBC hated the Jews, but I see that it's far more widespread than that.
But what also concerns me is the attempt by the muslims to conflate Anti-semitism and Islamophobia to justify their own feelings of victimhood - as if they're comparable in any way. They're not. Anti-semitism is pure racism which is illegal and completely unjustified. But Islamophobia is the dislike of the religion of Islam which is entirely justified and completely legal. Anyone who isn't an islamophobe has to be a racist, a sexist and a homophobe - to name but a few illegal attitudes.
There IS a reason why the muslims are disliked almost everywhere in the world and it's because they find it impossible to get on with anyone who doesn't agree with them. So I have a lot of sympathy with Israel who live surrounded by muslim nations who hate all the Jews, want them dead and want to take their land off them. This will never change and the muslims will NEVER back down - no matter how many of them the Israelis kill.
But when the muslims perpetrate their atrocities (across the globe) there are always their defenders who say that it's "nothing to do with Islam" etc etc - and that most muslims don't support this terrorism - it's just a tiny minority of extremists. But we've seen in the last few days that this is total bollocks. There are vast numbers of muslims coming out on the streets in the UK in support of Jihad and the death of Jews. The supporters of Palestine and Hamas are probably the majority of the population of Gaza and certainly the majority of the muslim and Leftie population of the UK.
This all reminded me of a Simon Reeve travelogue program to Myanmar. He went to a Buddhist monastery and talked to some Buddhist monks about the problems with the Rohingya muslims. These monks - who literally wouldn't harm a fly - were visibly angry at the mention of muslims. One of them said that there were 4 religions in Myanmar - Buddhist, Hindu, Christian and muslim. He said that all of the religions got on perfectly happily with the exception of the muslims. Whenever there's trouble it's the muslims. Whether it's minor altercations or the rape of a girl or a terrorist attack it's always the muslims. I always remember that because it was quite a powerful statement.
And it's exactly the same wherever the muslims immigrate to. They almost always cause the same types of friction. In the UK and Europe we also have problems with paedophilic rape and terrorism. It's a pattern. So WHY are there all these apologists for the muslims? And WHY do so many people continue to try to appease them? WHY will no one come out and say we have a problem that need solving - like the Israelis have done.
I wish them well with their justified attempt attempt to eliminate Hamas, but I'm just afraid that Hamas is just the tip of a huge muslim iceberg.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 27, 2023 14:08:01 GMT
I've been astonished by the amount of anti-semitism there is in Britain. The reaction to Israel's justified response after the terrorist attacks of Hamas on Oct 7th has revealed that anti-semitism is everywhere in Britain. I always knew that the muslims (I lived in the UAE for years), the Lefties and the BBC hated the Jews, but I see that it's far more widespread than that. But what also concerns me is the attempt by the muslims to conflate Anti-semitism and Islamophobia to justify their own feelings of victimhood - as if they're comparable in any way. They're not. Anti-semitism is pure racism which is illegal and completely unjustified. But Islamophobia is the dislike of the religion of Islam which is entirely justified and completely legal. Anyone who isn't an islamophobe has to be a racist, a sexist and a homophobe - to name but a few illegal attitudes. There IS a reason why the muslims are disliked almost everywhere in the world and it's because they find it impossible to get on with anyone who doesn't agree with them. So I have a lot of sympathy with Israel who live surrounded by muslim nations who hate all the Jews, want them dead and want to take their land off them. This will never change and the muslims will NEVER back down - no matter how many of them the Israelis kill. But when the muslims perpetrate their atrocities (across the globe) there are always their defenders who say that it's "nothing to do with Islam" etc etc - and that most muslims don't support this terrorism - it's just a tiny minority of extremists. But we've seen in the last few days that this is total bollocks. There are vast numbers of muslims coming out on the streets in the UK in support of Jihad and the death of Jews. The supporters of Palestine and Hamas are probably the majority of the population of Gaza and certainly the majority of the muslim and Leftie population of the UK. This all reminded me of a Simon Reeve travelogue program to Myanmar. He went to a Buddhist monastery and talked to some Buddhist monks about the problems with the Rohingya muslims. These monks - who literally wouldn't harm a fly - were visibly angry at the mention of muslims. One of them said that there were 4 religions in Myanmar - Buddhist, Hindu, Christian and muslim. He said that all of the religions got on perfectly happily with the exception of the muslims. Whenever there's trouble it's the muslims. Whether it's minor altercations or the rape of a girl or a terrorist attack it's always the muslims. I always remember that because it was quite a powerful statement. And it's exactly the same wherever the muslims immigrate to. They almost always cause the same types of friction. In the UK and Europe we also have problems with paedophilic rape and terrorism. It's a pattern. So WHY are there all these apologists for the muslims? And WHY do so many people continue to try to appease them? WHY will no one come out and say we have a problem that need solving - like the Israelis have done. I wish them well with their justified attempt attempt to eliminate Hamas, but I'm just afraid that Hamas is just the tip of a huge muslim iceberg. I would place anti-semitism in the area of disliking people for what they are and Islamophobia as disliking people for what they say they believe and/or what one believes they believe. The latter seems a perfectly acceptable stance and one adopted by the broad left very widely. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 28, 2023 7:51:39 GMT
Exactly. Yet the seem to be broadly supportive the muslims and more prone to anti-semitism. It's very strange.
I've just been listening to Mishal Hussein interviewing Mark Regev (a senior adviser to Netanyahu) on "Today". She was entirely pre-occupied by the number of Palestinians who have been killed and was quoting Hamas's figures for their deaths. Regev pointed out that these figures should be taken with a large dose of salt but Hussein wouldn't have it. It's very strange to me that the BBC is happy to believe Hamas but not Israel, despite the fact that Hamas are obviously a bunch of liars. The BBC never learn.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 29, 2023 11:20:21 GMT
I noticed in your OP that most religious groups get a capital letter … but muslims are denoted with a small ‘m’ ??
… so like many on this Forum you have prejudices against muslims behaving v. badly lately?? … related to the recent highjacking of Islam by Al Qaida radical extremism.
People have extreme prejudices against groups and individuals behaving very badly indeed … Get over it. … it’s human nature … if people don’t like persecution and hatred … they should behave differently and stop bullying minority groups. … your ‘labelling’ won’t change people’s minds towards zionists and muslims.
What we see today is a rising criticism of two nasty greedy, intolerant, religious, fascist, totalitarian racist groups of extremists that bully and provoke 24/7 … since 9/11 especially so.
… if you want to label that anti-semitism/islamaphobia … we care not …. Our criticism and feelings wont morph into anything more serious than desire for the peaceful deportation of trouble-makers back to their Countries of origin.
Holocausts and Pogroms are an insane extreme solution for eradicating undesirable people from territory under a regime’s control …. What Israel is now doing in Gaza is extremist …. Persecution doesn’t happen because religious tribes are blameless for upheaval and anarchy … look at the state of Germany and England from the turn of the 1900’s onwards … who was behind the Media mechanisms that stirred things up and started those world wars? Tribes responsible … step forward.🤔
We’ve had enough of bullying extremists hidden in religious and deep state Cartels … equally rightly condemned now …. Learn lessons from those genuine feelings honestly expressed.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 30, 2023 7:52:51 GMT
I don't use a capital letter for muslim because the word isn't derived from a proper noun. Christian, for example derives from Christ. It's just pedantry.
And I don't regard islam as a religion, so it also probably shouldn't have a capital letter. As I've said before there is in fact no word in Arabic for religion - islam is a "din", which roughly translates to "way of life". Islam comprises various cultist ideologies and delusions (like most religions) but it also includes a system of law (sharia) and punishment and a political agenda (now called islamism). Islamism supports the elimination of those who don't follow islam (muslim supremacy) and the creation of a global caliphate - which is broadly parallel to nazism's Aryan supremacy and Third Reich.
And I don't have any "prejudice" against islam. I just recognise it for what it is and I don't like it. And I completely fail to understand why the Left defend islam when they, in general, don't support racism, sexism or homophobia. But islam does.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 30, 2023 9:12:45 GMT
The dictionary disagrees with your pedantry.
Muslim
/ˈmʊzlɪm,ˈmʌzlɪm/
noun
a follower of the religion of Islam.
"a majority of the residents of the islands are Muslims"
I note that you grant Islamophobia the respect of capitalization though.
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 30, 2023 9:17:26 GMT
I've been astonished by the amount of anti-semitism there is in Britain. The reaction to Israel's justified response after the terrorist attacks of Hamas on Oct 7th has revealed that anti-semitism is everywhere in Britain. I always knew that the muslims (I lived in the UAE for years), the Lefties and the BBC hated the Jews, but I see that it's far more widespread than that. But what also concerns me is the attempt by the muslims to conflate Anti-semitism and Islamophobia to justify their own feelings of victimhood - as if they're comparable in any way. They're not. Anti-semitism is pure racism which is illegal and completely unjustified. But Islamophobia is the dislike of the religion of Islam which is entirely justified and completely legal. Anyone who isn't an islamophobe has to be a racist, a sexist and a homophobe - to name but a few illegal attitudes. There IS a reason why the muslims are disliked almost everywhere in the world and it's because they find it impossible to get on with anyone who doesn't agree with them. So I have a lot of sympathy with Israel who live surrounded by muslim nations who hate all the Jews, want them dead and want to take their land off them. This will never change and the muslims will NEVER back down - no matter how many of them the Israelis kill. But when the muslims perpetrate their atrocities (across the globe) there are always their defenders who say that it's "nothing to do with Islam" etc etc - and that most muslims don't support this terrorism - it's just a tiny minority of extremists. But we've seen in the last few days that this is total bollocks. There are vast numbers of muslims coming out on the streets in the UK in support of Jihad and the death of Jews. The supporters of Palestine and Hamas are probably the majority of the population of Gaza and certainly the majority of the muslim and Leftie population of the UK. This all reminded me of a Simon Reeve travelogue program to Myanmar. He went to a Buddhist monastery and talked to some Buddhist monks about the problems with the Rohingya muslims. These monks - who literally wouldn't harm a fly - were visibly angry at the mention of muslims. One of them said that there were 4 religions in Myanmar - Buddhist, Hindu, Christian and muslim. He said that all of the religions got on perfectly happily with the exception of the muslims. Whenever there's trouble it's the muslims. Whether it's minor altercations or the rape of a girl or a terrorist attack it's always the muslims. I always remember that because it was quite a powerful statement. And it's exactly the same wherever the muslims immigrate to. They almost always cause the same types of friction. In the UK and Europe we also have problems with paedophilic rape and terrorism. It's a pattern. So WHY are there all these apologists for the muslims? And WHY do so many people continue to try to appease them? WHY will no one come out and say we have a problem that need solving - like the Israelis have done. I wish them well with their justified attempt attempt to eliminate Hamas, but I'm just afraid that Hamas is just the tip of a huge muslim iceberg. I would say that is a pretty accurate account of the situation the West (or Britain more specifically) has at the moment. I don't think there will be too many on here who are able enough to refute this post. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 30, 2023 9:31:00 GMT
But there will be some who ignore it .
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 30, 2023 10:06:03 GMT
But there will be some who ignore it . Because they know it's pretty much spot on. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 30, 2023 10:46:41 GMT
I don't use a capital letter for muslim because the word isn't derived from a proper noun. Christian, for example derives from Christ. It's just pedantry. And I don't regard islam as a religion, so it also probably shouldn't have a capital letter. As I've said before there is in fact no word in Arabic for religion - islam is a "din", which roughly translates to "way of life". Islam comprises various cultist ideologies and delusions (like most religions) but it also includes a system of law (sharia) and punishment and a political agenda (now called islamism). Islamism supports the elimination of those who don't follow islam (muslim supremacy) and the creation of a global caliphate - which is broadly parallel to nazism's Aryan supremacy and Third Reich. And I don't have any "prejudice" against islam. I just recognise it for what it is and I don't like it. And I completely fail to understand why the Left defend islam when they, in general, don't support racism, sexism or homophobia. But islam does. Good points, excellently worded. Islamic clerics know exactly what this Fascist movement is all about … and so do all the clerics in other religions around the World … who practice similar totalitarianism … yet they are complicit with the Left in propagandising the spread of these religions around the World through broken border policies. … facilitating the spread of these dangerous fascist groups that create violent bullying gangs in vulnerable countries where peaceful people generally reside … is very very wrong … and we will never forgive Religion in general for this group complicity … the damage, conflict, division and wars it has bullied on Humanity for thousands of years. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 10:54:37 GMT
But there will be some who ignore it . Because they know it's pretty much spot on. The Left generally ignore everything that need not be answered and rely on collective intimidation, as demonstrated by their posts. Sometimes one will pop in to accuse people of supporting Islamophobia for merely asking the question. I'd say it's all part of the cowardly shut down method. The current ongoing call for the genocide of Jews in Israel goes unchallenged. They clearly do not want to upset the alliance they have with Islamism
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 30, 2023 10:58:33 GMT
Worth adding the question ….
So why are you, Steppenwolf … critical of this current form of criticism just labelled “anti-semitism” and “Islamaphobia” by a corrupted mainstream media run by these religions?
… when you know it is fully justified, true … and fairly expressed?? … 🤔
… designed to push governments to secure our Country’s borders against invasion by this current fascism rolled out by both these ‘religions’.
…. A movement against this oppression being jointly used by Religions as a tool to secure political power/destroy our indigenous Democracies, divide our once secure unified Communities - clearly exposed as a push for totalitarian World Domination control??
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Post by patman post on Oct 30, 2023 11:46:31 GMT
I don't use a capital letter for muslim because the word isn't derived from a proper noun. Christian, for example derives from Christ. It's just pedantry. And I don't regard islam as a religion, so it also probably shouldn't have a capital letter. As I've said before there is in fact no word in Arabic for religion - islam is a "din", which roughly translates to "way of life". Islam comprises various cultist ideologies and delusions (like most religions) but it also includes a system of law (sharia) and punishment and a political agenda (now called islamism). Islamism supports the elimination of those who don't follow islam (muslim supremacy) and the creation of a global caliphate - which is broadly parallel to nazism's Aryan supremacy and Third Reich. And I don't have any "prejudice" against islam. I just recognise it for what it is and I don't like it. And I completely fail to understand why the Left defend islam when they, in general, don't support racism, sexism or homophobia. But islam does. Wiki says: The name Muslim is a diminutive of the name Aslam (أَسْلَم aslam), which both names stems from the male noun-name Salaam. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_(name)#:~:text=It%20is%20also%20the%20proper%20name%20for%20the,both%20names%20stems%20from%20the%20male%20noun-name%20Salaam. Hindu — to which you give a leading capital — derives its names from the Indus River. And I disagree your earlier statement that the BBC hates Jews. There are Jews in the BBC — some well known personalities at the BBC and others in permanent and temporary roles… |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 11:47:43 GMT
I began reading the opening post until I got to this sentence ... " I always knew that the muslims (I lived in the UAE for years), the Lefties and the BBC hated the Jews, but I see that it's far more widespread than that" Muslims - SOME Muslims do hate Jews, but inteligent, educated Muslims, do not hate Jews, they may disagree with them on the topic of Israel, Palestine and the generations old unresolved conflict, but I have no doubt that most Muslims do not hate Jews. The Left - I am a former member of The Labour Party, I support the Labour Party and I vote Labour, I despise all forms of racism, including against Jews. Does this poster also think that "Lefties" in Israel, of whom there are many, also hate Jews. ? The BBC - (quote) "A former BBC Middle East correspondent, Tim Llewellyn, wrote in 2004 that the BBC's coverage allowed Israel's view of the conflict to dominate, as was demonstrated by research conducted by the Glasgow Media Group" www.theguardian.com/media/2004/jun/20/israel.broadcastingIn 2010, the BBC was accused of pro-Israel bias in its documentary about the Gaza flotilla raid. In 2014, protesters presented an open letter from the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and other groups to Lord Hall, Director General of the BBC. The letter accused the broadcaster of presenting Israeli attacks on Gaza as a result of rocket fire from Hamas without giving any other context. The BBC is frequently accused ( by Jewish people ) of been anti Israel, and also frequently accused ( by Muslim people ) of been pro Israel. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 12:25:17 GMT
Muslims - SOME Muslims do hate Jews, but inteligent, educated Muslims, do not hate Jews, they may disagree with them on the topic of Israel, Palestine and the generations old unresolved conflict, but I have no doubt that most Muslims do not hate Jews. I must have missed this meeting. You do know that many Islamic militant groups and Jihadi terrorists are well educated? Some are very wealthy. |
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