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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 21:47:42 GMT
Do you and om both drink down the White Lion with the rest of your far right chums? See, how can anyone take this bloke seriously? I am experiencing an irony overload right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 21:50:54 GMT
See, how can anyone take this bloke seriously? I am experiencing an irony overload right now. Perhaps you should be medicated. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2023 21:52:12 GMT
So that me get this straight. Someone on a march of 300,000 people had a racist anti-white placard. So obviously this means that all 300,000 and the entire British left are racists? Are you lot serious? Especially with some of your own obvious far right sympathies in one or two cases. So let me talk you through the same logic. 300,OOO right wing marchers protest against poor treatment of veterans. Amongst them someone is carrying a placard which says British veterans are sissies. Would this prove that all 300,000 and the entire British right thought British veterans are sissies? Of course it wouldnt! And neither does a single racist placard prove anything beyond the fact the the person or people carrying it are racist. Says nothing about anybody else. And plenty of white people were on the march too. Because however ill-advised some might regard them, they believe in peace. Are you addressing my post ? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 0:54:59 GMT
I find it a bit peculiar that Islamophobia is so readily reconised but Israelophobia isn't. You are comparing apples and oranges and trying to posit a false equivalence. Because one is a religion. The other is a nation state led by a government. Two very different things. Criticism of any state is not an example of a phobia. If we are critical of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, does that make us Russophobic? If we are critical of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, does that make us Iraqiphobic? You are essential trying to equate any criticism of Israel with bigotry, which is utter tosh frankly. Hamas declared war and invaded Israel by intentionally massacring innocent and unarmed Israeli civilians in some of the most inhuman ways. Your generalised comparisons clearly do not describe the situations you're relying on, so I can only put your post down to yet more simple minded thinking.
Russia invaded for territory because Putin obviously believes NATO is advancing east, or is at least using that to excuse it. His problem is that he hasn't considered what the Ukrainians want, and this is because he's just seeing it as global territory. There is no racial or religious hatred involved.
Hamas hates Jews, period. Israel is hated because it's Jewish, and those in Gaza have been force fed this hatred everyday. If it was some Muslim conquest that took the region, instead of the Jewish state, it would all be history.
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2023 8:54:41 GMT
So that me get this straight. Someone on a march of 300,000 people had a racist anti-white placard. So obviously this means that all 300,000 and the entire British left are racists? Are you lot serious? Especially with some of your own obvious far right sympathies in one or two cases. I don't think people are making that argument. The whole minority specialness , white privilege immigration thing has been implicitly genocidal for at least a decade. If you still buy into the movement you are probably at some level aware of what you are doing. If you really aren't, you need to wake up and look at the compass a bit. This was designed to appeal to a mindset. The mindset is just beneath the surface of the publicly declared aims of these movements. |
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Post by om15 on Nov 13, 2023 9:51:55 GMT
Do you seriously think that calling someone a racist for making that observation is valid? I might just as well call you a wife beater or accuse you of stealing charity boxes based on your views, it would be absurd. You throw around insults on here calling people fascists and racists simply because they don't share your views.
I think that you might be rather thick and you are certainly without humour, but you would be a better person if you didn't lapse into childish name calling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 13:22:38 GMT
So that me get this straight. Someone on a march of 300,000 people had a racist anti-white placard. So obviously this means that all 300,000 and the entire British left are racists? Are you lot serious? Especially with some of your own obvious far right sympathies in one or two cases. So let me talk you through the same logic. 300,OOO right wing marchers protest against poor treatment of veterans. Amongst them someone is carrying a placard which says British veterans are sissies. Would this prove that all 300,000 and the entire British right thought British veterans are sissies? Of course it wouldnt! And neither does a single racist placard prove anything beyond the fact the the person or people carrying it are racist. Says nothing about anybody else. And plenty of white people were on the march too. Because however ill-advised some might regard them, they believe in peace. Are you addressing my post ? I think it was Pacifico who posted the pic of the placard, so no this was not addressed to you in particular. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 13:26:29 GMT
So that me get this straight. Someone on a march of 300,000 people had a racist anti-white placard. So obviously this means that all 300,000 and the entire British left are racists? Are you lot serious? Especially with some of your own obvious far right sympathies in one or two cases. I don't think people are making that argument. The whole minority specialness , white privilege immigration thing has been implicitly genocidal for at least a decade. If you still buy into the movement you are probably at some level aware of what you are doing. If you really aren't, you need to wake up and look at the compass a bit. This was designed to appeal to a mindset. The mindset is just beneath the surface of the publicly declared aims of these movements.None of which you can prove, and all of which looks close to being far right paranoia. By which your opponents don't think what they say they think at all, but something much more sinister which you choose to think they really think. I think this says more about your mindset than theirs. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2023 13:26:39 GMT
Are you addressing my post ? I think it was Pacifico who posted the pic of the placard, so no this was not addressed to you in particular. I see. Thank you . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 13:28:00 GMT
Do you seriously think that calling someone a racist for making that observation is valid? I might just as well call you a wife beater or accuse you of stealing charity boxes based on your views, it would be absurd. You throw around insults on here calling people fascists and racists simply because they don't share your views. I think that you might be rather thick and you are certainly without humour, but you would be a better person if you didn't lapse into childish name calling. Compared to some around here I am an intellectual genius, lol. Are you one of those who regards those holding views you don't like as stupid. I would wager a months salary taking any intelligence test going that I am more intelligent than you. Except that unless it were done in real life and not online, neither of us could prove that the other wasnt cheating. I do however think when it comes to showcasing intelligence, forum members' contributions speak for themselves. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 13:36:57 GMT
I am experiencing an irony overload right now. Perhaps you should be medicated. Not sure that would help. They are obviously not working in your case. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2023 13:37:54 GMT
I don't think people are making that argument. The whole minority specialness , white privilege immigration thing has been implicitly genocidal for at least a decade. If you still buy into the movement you are probably at some level aware of what you are doing. If you really aren't, you need to wake up and look at the compass a bit. This was designed to appeal to a mindset. The mindset is just beneath the surface of the publicly declared aims of these movements.None of which you can prove, and all of which looks close to being far right paranoia. By which your opponents don't think what they say they think at all, but something much more sinister which you choose to think they really think. I think this says more about your mindset than theirs. I can prove most of it to the degree needed to remove all but the uncertainty intrinsic to such a claim about motivation. Remember, immediately after Hamas barbecued Jewish people. and before Israel reacted, there were demonstrations of support in London and other western cities. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 13:38:04 GMT
I don't think people are making that argument. The whole minority specialness , white privilege immigration thing has been implicitly genocidal for at least a decade. If you still buy into the movement you are probably at some level aware of what you are doing. If you really aren't, you need to wake up and look at the compass a bit. This was designed to appeal to a mindset. The mindset is just beneath the surface of the publicly declared aims of these movements.None of which you can prove, and all of which looks close to being far right paranoia. By which your opponents don't think what they say they think at all, but something much more sinister which you choose to think they really think. I think this says more about your mindset than theirs. I guess everything you disagree with is labelled "far-right" and "racist", which sums up the level of intelligence from the sort of people who are demanding we respect Hamas. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 13, 2023 14:19:58 GMT
The muslim apologists always use the same argument that not all of muslims believe the same thing. Which is of course true. But there is NO group of people who all have the same views - there are even Nazis who have perfectly acceptable views. And the Ahmadi muslims are very peaceful.
Unfortunately most of the people on these "Pro Palestine" marches seem to be pretty extreme Jew haters who want the genocide of the Jews. SOme of them were also carrying swastikas, which indicates their alignment with Nazism. In fact- as was seen on Koenssburgs interview with the Israeli president - they found Arabic translations of Mein Kampf in Hamas's "lair".
These people are terrorist sympathisers, which is why none of them are asking for Hamas's hostages to be released. And anyone on the march who carried a placard asking for that would be beaten up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 16:36:36 GMT
None of which you can prove, and all of which looks close to being far right paranoia. By which your opponents don't think what they say they think at all, but something much more sinister which you choose to think they really think. I think this says more about your mindset than theirs. I can prove most of it to the degree needed to remove all but the uncertainty intrinsic to such a claim about motivation. Remember, immediately after Hamas barbecued Jewish people. and before Israel reacted, there were demonstrations of support in London and other western cities. None of which demonstrates that such views are mainstream on the left as you are trying to imply. Neither myself nor any of the left wing comrades I know ever uttered a word in favour of what Hamas did, let alone demonstrated in support of it. You are reading far too much into people like me because of a few twats. But then, that tends to be the modus operandi of much of the right, so par for the course. So attempt to prove that I as a typical British lefty am a supporter of what Hamas did. Find the quote where I said it was good. You wont be able to. Because like most decent people, most of the left have never condoned it. If that is not what you want to believe, that's your problem and not mine. You are coming very close to wanting to tar me with your same broad brush of hate. Please desist. |
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