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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 12:47:53 GMT
Muslims - SOME Muslims do hate Jews, but inteligent, educated Muslims, do not hate Jews, they may disagree with them on the topic of Israel, Palestine and the generations old unresolved conflict, but I have no doubt that most Muslims do not hate Jews. I must have missed this meeting. You do know that many Islamic militant groups and Jihadi terrorists are well educated? Some are very wealthy. Of the 1.9 Billion Muslims in the world, how many do you think are members of Islamic militant groups or who are Jihadi terrorists. ? The thing about people who stereotype an entire faith or race, is that they tend to make dramatic and outrageous statements, like for example suggesting all Muslims are terrorists.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 12:51:54 GMT
I must have missed this meeting. You do know that many Islamic militant groups and Jihadi terrorists are well educated? Some are very wealthy. Of the 1.9 Billion Muslims in the world, how many do you think are members of Islamic militant groups or who are Jihadi terrorists. ? The thing about people who stereotype an entire faith or race, is that they tend to make dramatic and outrageous statements, like for example suggesting all Muslims are terrorists. I'm not going to pull statistics out of my rear end. I will go by the fact that The Guardian and the BBC are encouraging the mass-protests where the calls for the genocide of Jews in Israel take place. If there are Muslims who love Jews then they are choosing to be quiet for their own safety, because they're in a minority. I also never said all Muslims are terrorists. I merely pointed out that " many Islamic militant groups and Jihadi terrorists are well educated", which doesn't tally with your theory.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 30, 2023 12:53:16 GMT
I've been astonished by the amount of anti-semitism there is in Britain. The reaction to Israel's justified response after the terrorist attacks of Hamas on Oct 7th has revealed that anti-semitism is everywhere in Britain. I always knew that the muslims (I lived in the UAE for years), the Lefties and the BBC hated the Jews, but I see that it's far more widespread than that. funny yuou should say this. i was listening to Radio 2 earlier and Jeremy Vine had a guest on who started talking about the explosion of anti-semitism in the UK - well that line of discussion was immediately shut down and the subject changed..
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 30, 2023 14:16:14 GMT
I began reading the opening post until I got to this sentence ... " I always knew that the muslims (I lived in the UAE for years), the Lefties and the BBC hated the Jews, but I see that it's far more widespread than that" Muslims - SOME Muslims do hate Jews, but inteligent, educated Muslims, do not hate Jews, they may disagree with them on the topic of Israel, Palestine and the generations old unresolved conflict, but I have no doubt that most Muslims do not hate Jews. The Left - I am a former member of The Labour Party, I support the Labour Party and I vote Labour, I despise all forms of racism, including against Jews. Does this poster also think that "Lefties" in Israel, of whom there are many, also hate Jews. ? The BBC - (quote) "A former BBC Middle East correspondent, Tim Llewellyn, wrote in 2004 that the BBC's coverage allowed Israel's view of the conflict to dominate, as was demonstrated by research conducted by the Glasgow Media Group" www.theguardian.com/media/2004/jun/20/israel.broadcastingIn 2010, the BBC was accused of pro-Israel bias in its documentary about the Gaza flotilla raid. In 2014, protesters presented an open letter from the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and other groups to Lord Hall, Director General of the BBC. The letter accused the broadcaster of presenting Israeli attacks on Gaza as a result of rocket fire from Hamas without giving any other context. The BBC is frequently accused ( by Jewish people ) of been anti Israel, and also frequently accused ( by Muslim people ) of been pro Israel. This is so boring, Sid. The point I'm making is what's called a "generalisation". When I say that the muslims hate the Jews I'm not saying ALL muslims hate the Jews. That would obviously not be true. But muslims are taught (brainwashed) from an early age into the belief that "infidels" are worthless and Jews are the lowest of the low. Many react against this teaching but as a general rule most muslims hate the Jews - and, from the over 1 million muslims who turned out out on the London streets to chant anti-semitic slogans at the weekend, I'd say I've underestimated their nazism.. And, as has been said, it's just as true of highly educated muslims as for the less educated. In fact some of the most virulent anti-semitism comes from highly educated Arabs. For example Osama bin Laden was very highly educated in the West. It's one of these ignorant attitudes that the Left have that education makes people less prejudiced. I remember Blair's idea was that the first generation immigrant Pakistanis would be unwilling to integrate but that the subsequent generations would become more assimilated and adopt British values. Unfortunately he couldn't have been more wrong. In fact the first generation muslims are the MOST likely to have integrated and the subsequent generations have got more and more alienated. The younger generation are the ones that go to the hard-line mosques and demand adherence to the muslim dress code. While their parents go to the moderate mosque and wear jeans. What the sociologists didn't understand is that when a person is exposed to a new culture some may adopt that culture but there are also many that react against it and come to hate it. It's called polarisation. That's what's happened here in the UK with our, now 5 million, population of muslims. As we see from the various demonstrations (virtually riots) around the country most have absolutely NO respect for British values. As for the BBC its coverage of this gross act of terrorism has been a disgrace. For it to come out and say - of the bombing of the Gaza hospital - that it was "hard to see that the responsibility for this was anything other than Israel's" was unbelievable. They were completely wrong but the BBC World Service went straight ahead and blamed Israel.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2023 14:37:58 GMT
There is no such thing as "Islamophobia", there is such a thing as anti Muslim prejudice, hatred and bullying.
It's wrong to hate and bully all Muslims. It's not wrong to have an aversion to the scriptures or practices of an organised religion.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 30, 2023 14:54:20 GMT
I've been astonished by the amount of anti-semitism there is in Britain. The reaction to Israel's justified response after the terrorist attacks of Hamas on Oct 7th has revealed that anti-semitism is everywhere in Britain. I always knew that the muslims (I lived in the UAE for years), the Lefties and the BBC hated the Jews, but I see that it's far more widespread than that. But what also concerns me is the attempt by the muslims to conflate Anti-semitism and Islamophobia to justify their own feelings of victimhood - as if they're comparable in any way. They're not. Anti-semitism is pure racism which is illegal and completely unjustified. But Islamophobia is the dislike of the religion of Islam which is entirely justified and completely legal. Anyone who isn't an islamophobe has to be a racist, a sexist and a homophobe - to name but a few illegal attitudes. There IS a reason why the muslims are disliked almost everywhere in the world and it's because they find it impossible to get on with anyone who doesn't agree with them. So I have a lot of sympathy with Israel who live surrounded by muslim nations who hate all the Jews, want them dead and want to take their land off them. This will never change and the muslims will NEVER back down - no matter how many of them the Israelis kill. But when the muslims perpetrate their atrocities (across the globe) there are always their defenders who say that it's "nothing to do with Islam" etc etc - and that most muslims don't support this terrorism - it's just a tiny minority of extremists. But we've seen in the last few days that this is total bollocks. There are vast numbers of muslims coming out on the streets in the UK in support of Jihad and the death of Jews. The supporters of Palestine and Hamas are probably the majority of the population of Gaza and certainly the majority of the muslim and Leftie population of the UK. This all reminded me of a Simon Reeve travelogue program to Myanmar. He went to a Buddhist monastery and talked to some Buddhist monks about the problems with the Rohingya muslims. These monks - who literally wouldn't harm a fly - were visibly angry at the mention of muslims. One of them said that there were 4 religions in Myanmar - Buddhist, Hindu, Christian and muslim. He said that all of the religions got on perfectly happily with the exception of the muslims. Whenever there's trouble it's the muslims. Whether it's minor altercations or the rape of a girl or a terrorist attack it's always the muslims. I always remember that because it was quite a powerful statement. And it's exactly the same wherever the muslims immigrate to. They almost always cause the same types of friction. In the UK and Europe we also have problems with paedophilic rape and terrorism. It's a pattern. So WHY are there all these apologists for the muslims? And WHY do so many people continue to try to appease them? WHY will no one come out and say we have a problem that need solving - like the Israelis have done. I wish them well with their justified attempt attempt to eliminate Hamas, but I'm just afraid that Hamas is just the tip of a huge muslim iceberg. Why is any negative reaction to the response of Israel's government construed as anti-semitism? Can you not separate the people from their government? Even Jewish people disagree with the Israeli government policy.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 31, 2023 7:46:55 GMT
Because it IS anti-semitism. There was about 5 minutes of sympathy for Israel after the vile muslim terrorist attack on October 7th, before the most of the world turned to "victim blaming". Of course the muslim world was still celebrating and applauding Hamas - no sympathy from them obviously. Now the Left wing world just wants Israel to go away and wait for the next Hamas terror attack. Unfortunately, this time, this is not going to happen. Israel has vowed to destroy Hamas - and most Israelis support that.
But all we hear from the muslim apologists is that the Palestinians are an innocent people who just want peace and they don't support Hamas. "Hamas is not the Palestinian people" etc. You have to be very naive to believe that. They voted for Hamas as their government - and many say that if you had another vote they'd vote them in again. They want the Jews yo be eliminated and they want their land. Listen to what they're saying on the Hate marches around this country. "From the river to the sea" etc. In mosques all around the UK muslim imams are calling for "armed jihad" and death to the Jews. GB news have presented recorded evidence of this hate speech to the police - but I'm afraid they will do nothing.
People tried to appease Hitler in the 1930s but it didn't work. The muslims are a far more powerful enemy than Hitler.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 10:53:18 GMT
There is no such thing as "Islamophobia", there is such a thing as anti Muslim prejudice, hatred and bullying. It's wrong to hate and bully all Muslims.It's not wrong to have an aversion to the scriptures or practices of an organised religion. By our own ethical code. The problem is moral relativism which the Left seem to rely on all too often.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2023 11:06:11 GMT
The far left seem to treat any dislike of Islam as being comparable to the holocaust whilst treating Christians as if they're "homophobes", "transphobes", "racists and bigots" to be subdued.
Weird lot.
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Post by see2 on Oct 31, 2023 11:40:22 GMT
The far left seem to treat any dislike of Islam as being comparable to the holocaust whilst treating Christians as if they're "homophobes", "transphobes", "racists and bigots" to be subdued. Weird lot. Sadly no more weird than some righties who insist on insinuated lies, insults and denigration of the opposition.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 31, 2023 12:57:14 GMT
The far left seem to treat any dislike of Islam as being comparable to the holocaust whilst treating Christians as if they're "homophobes", "transphobes", "racists and bigots" to be subdued. Weird lot. There's a lot of confusion in the Left. The "Queers for Palestine" marchers are very deluded. I was very amused by Starmer's speech today. It was completely obvious that Blair had written it. The problem that Starmer will have is that he will be questioned about it and he just won't know what to say. He knows little about politics and even less about the Middle East. He has a party that's (still) largely anti-semitic but he wants to retain the muslim vote without alienating decent people. Which can't be done. He needs to decide what he really believes in - if anything.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2023 13:02:33 GMT
There hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006. Hamas are a Nazi dictatorship.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 31, 2023 13:21:42 GMT
There is no such thing as "Islamophobia", there is such a thing as anti Muslim prejudice, hatred and bullying. It's wrong to hate and bully all Muslims. It's not wrong to have an aversion to the scriptures or practices of an organised religion. When Labour come to power, as they probably will, then Islamophobia will become a real thing and will include criticism of any aspect of Islam becoming a hate crime as it will depend on how Muslims feel as regards anything that is said and the religious in Islam are notoriously thin skinned.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 12, 2023 0:00:03 GMT
Religion ... in all its varieties ... is a species of madness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 0:14:44 GMT
Religion ... in all its varieties ... is a species of madness. The same could be said about every atheist regime.
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