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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 11:44:44 GMT
To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter. There are no checks on individuals. It's very surprising you say that now. You were one of the misguided ones vehemently blaming the EU for the chaos in Dover back in July due to the alleged lack of French immigration officers at passport control. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 25, 2022 12:39:17 GMT
Now that you've been educated that goods don't need to be immediately checked at ports:- Why can't goods destined for the EU be "subject to inspection" when they arrive in the EU - namely Ireland? - Why can't goods destined for Northern Ireland from GB be subject to the same status as they are from Birmingham to Cardiff? Now, before you hide behind the legalistic waffle of the WA & Protocol batting away for team EU - I'm asking you, why can't these things be practically implemented? Yup. Goods need to be checked. But not immediately. The need arises once they enter the EU. The actual checks are carried out immediately at the port of entry where possible, otherwise, later at a bonded warehouse nearby. Now, tell that to Pacifico. Why can't goods destined for the EU be "subject to inspection" when they arrive in the EU - namely Ireland? - Because Northern Ireland is, trade wise, in the EU. Why can't goods destined for Northern Ireland from GB be subject to the same status as they are from Birmingham to Cardiff? - Because Northern Ireland is, trade wise, in the EU. I'm asking you, why can't these things be practically implemented? Because such things are in conflict with the agreements we signed. As simple as that. Although I asked you why they can't 'practically' be implemented you still hide behind the written word. Yet, you get out of your pram when the UK threatens legitimately to stand behind the written word of Art. 16. You can't have it both ways. Standing behind the written word of the agreements we signed then throwing your toys out the pram when/if the UK do likewise. Simple as that. Here is what Varadkar has recently said (pragmatically) about the Protocol: DUBLIN — European Union-required checks on British goods arriving in Northern Ireland are “too strict” and could be simplified with little practical risk to the EU single market, Deputy Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar suggested Thursday as
Britain resumed efforts to win major changes to the post-Brexit trade deal.
... “The protocol is not being fully implemented and yet it is still working. I think that demonstrates there is some room for further flexibility, for changes that hopefully will make it acceptable to all sides,” said Varadkar,
who was prime minister
when the 2019 Withdrawal Agreement containing the Northern Ireland trade protocol was struck. He is due to become prime minister again in mid-December as part of coalition government rules.
“I would concede that perhaps the protocol, as it was originally designed, was a little too strict,”
www.politico.eu/article/ireland-leo-varadkar-eu-protocol-rules-british-goods-too-strict/ |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 13:46:23 GMT
Yup. Goods need to be checked. But not immediately. The need arises once they enter the EU. The actual checks are carried out immediately at the port of entry where possible, otherwise, later at a bonded warehouse nearby. Now, tell that to Pacifico. Why can't goods destined for the EU be "subject to inspection" when they arrive in the EU - namely Ireland? - Because Northern Ireland is, trade wise, in the EU. Why can't goods destined for Northern Ireland from GB be subject to the same status as they are from Birmingham to Cardiff? - Because Northern Ireland is, trade wise, in the EU. I'm asking you, why can't these things be practically implemented? Because such things are in conflict with the agreements we signed. As simple as that. Although I asked you why they can't 'practically' be implemented you still hide behind the written word. Yet, you get out of your pram when the UK threatens legitimately to stand behind the written word of Art. 16. You can't have it both ways. Standing behind the written word of the agreements we signed then throwing your toys out the pram when/if the UK do likewise. Simple as that. Here is what Varadkar has recently said (pragmatically) about the Protocol: DUBLIN — European Union-required checks on British goods arriving in Northern Ireland are “too strict” and could be simplified with little practical risk to the EU single market, Deputy Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar suggested Thursday as
Britain resumed efforts to win major changes to the post-Brexit trade deal.
... “The protocol is not being fully implemented and yet it is still working. I think that demonstrates there is some room for further flexibility, for changes that hopefully will make it acceptable to all sides,” said Varadkar,
who was prime minister
when the 2019 Withdrawal Agreement containing the Northern Ireland trade protocol was struck. He is due to become prime minister again in mid-December as part of coalition government rules.
“I would concede that perhaps the protocol, as it was originally designed, was a little too strict,”
www.politico.eu/article/ireland-leo-varadkar-eu-protocol-rules-british-goods-too-strict/I'm not hiding behind anything. You asked me why it can't be practically implemented. I told you because it would be in conflict with the agreement. That's the correct and ultimately, the only answer, isn't it? It all goes back to what has been agreed in writing.* But you didn't ask me why the agreement could not be amended to allow practical implementation of your ideas, did you?  And that's precisely what both parties are working on now, isn't it? They are negotiating (again!) amendments to what's written so that the Protocol can be implemented with no problems. But what you, Pacifico, Steppenwolf and the rest of Hard Brexit Brigade are suggesting is that we just go ahead, "practically implement" your own "super brilliant, perfect" ideas, unilaterally, without reference to the bilateral treaties we signed and ratified and with no consideration at all to the EU's position. Varadkar says the Protocol is too strict. Yes, but he does not say that it is too strict, therefore, scrap it. His position is that the Protocol needs to be amended. And your position? -- Let's stop checking the goods and put in a domestic legislation that would give power to the cabinet to scrap the agreement itself. And when the EU threatens to sue, you all go to the corner crying it's not fair, the EU is punishing us for leaving!  *edit |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 17:31:00 GMT
There are no checks on individuals. It's very surprising you say that now. You were one of the misguided ones vehemently blaming the EU for the chaos in Dover back in July due to the alleged lack of French immigration officers at passport control. We are talking about Ireland. Why do we need border checkpoints in Ireland? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 17:50:43 GMT
It's very surprising you say that now. You were one of the misguided ones vehemently blaming the EU for the chaos in Dover back in July due to the alleged lack of French immigration officers at passport control. We are talking about Ireland. Why do we need border checkpoints in Ireland? To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 18:00:48 GMT
We are talking about Ireland. Why do we need border checkpoints in Ireland? To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter. How does the Protocol ensure that? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 18:40:33 GMT
To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter. How does the Protocol ensure that? Does the Protocol ensure that? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 18:41:49 GMT
How does the Protocol ensure that? Does the Protocol ensure that? No - so why the need for checkpoints in Ireland? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 19:08:16 GMT
Does the Protocol ensure that? No - so why the need for checkpoints in Ireland? There we go -- that's your answer. The Protocol does not ensure prevention of entrance of those that are not authorised to enter. Why even ask?! |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 22:07:54 GMT
No - so why the need for checkpoints in Ireland? There we go -- that's your answer. The Protocol does not ensure prevention of entrance of those that are not authorised to enter. Why even ask?! so why does it mandate checkpoints? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 17:26:46 GMT
There we go -- that's your answer. The Protocol does not ensure prevention of entrance of those that are not authorised to enter. Why even ask?! so why does it mandate checkpoints? Because checkpoints require a mandate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2022 18:01:02 GMT
so why does it mandate checkpoints? Because checkpoints require a mandate. Mandated by who? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 18:33:40 GMT
Because checkpoints require a mandate. Mandated by who? Mandated by whom? You tell me -- you asked the question. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2022 22:33:33 GMT
Mandated by whom? You tell me -- you asked the question. I don't know what your language is in your country but in the UK a question mark indicates a question. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 22:59:08 GMT
Mandated by whom? You tell me -- you asked the question. I don't know what your language is in your country but in the UK a question mark indicates a question. ^ You ask this question: "so why does it mandate checkpoints?" I say because checkpoints require a mandate. Then you ask another question: "Mandated by whom?" Obviously, the answer -- the only answer -- is that checkpoints are mandated by it. Since you already know -- you must know -- who this particular it is; why even ask me? You tell me. You want to go play going-in-circles; fine -- I'll watch. So. Who is it that mandates checkpoints? Tell me and I'll try to help you. |
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