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Post by buccaneer on Nov 25, 2022 6:41:39 GMT
Of course, there is. Here, read it and weep. Some more. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU. I think these smiley faces you're suddenly adding in to your posts means that you know the point Pacifico is making is a legitimate one, and one you can't argue the toss over and defend the EU on.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 7:58:44 GMT
Of course, there is. Here, read it and weep. Some more. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU. So why the need for border checkpoints?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 8:32:44 GMT
Of course, there is. Here, read it and weep. Some more. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU. I think these smiley faces you're suddenly adding in to your posts means that you know the point Pacifico is making is a legitimate one, and one you can't argue the toss over and defend the EU on. Pacifico doesn't have a point. And I have nothing to defend. That is, his argument is not contradictory to mine. What he asserts supports what I assert and vice versa. He just doesn't seem to like to be in agreement with me and so has chosen to double down on this ridiculous idea. Hence, the little quips and digs and editing out crucial part of the premise which I find amusing. Hence, the smiley faces. I've always used emojis. Smiley face for when I'm amused or Roll Eyes instead of typing "Yeah, right."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 8:33:55 GMT
Of course, there is. Here, read it and weep. Some more. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU. So why the need for border checkpoints? Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 25, 2022 8:36:33 GMT
So why the need for border checkpoints? Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.Northern Ireland isn't in the EU. It isn't even democratically represented.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 8:41:00 GMT
So why the need for border checkpoints? Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.So why the need for border checkpoints for something you cannot do at the border?
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 25, 2022 9:36:39 GMT
ZZZZzzzz.... Jeez this is pointless. If you can't understand what's going on you must be a cretin. The eU Commission don't give a flying fuck how much damage they do to their member countries in their determined pursuit of stopping perfectly legitimate trade with the UK. It means nothing to them because they're a bunch of unelected bureaucrats who can't be booted out because they were never elected anyway. The UK doesn't have that luxury - of just playing tit for tat with a pointless trade war = because our politicians CAN be booted out. That's the difference between being in the EU and self government. But you will never understand this. ^ I do understand your argument. I get it. You are demanding that the EU treat the UK as a special case. You are asking for leniency. For consideration, cooperation and assistance. After all, our product standards are still aligned with theirs and they do need our trade, anyway, so why not do away with all these onerous checks and inspections. That's your justification, isn't it? I have never said that the UK wants "leniency" of any kind. You plainly don't understand the English language - like a lot of people on this forum. We're now a third party country and should be treated as such. The problem is that we ARE being treated as a special case. Places like Switzerland and Turkey do NOT get treated like this. The point is that as soon as we left the SM there needed to be checks on goods imported to the EU. Everyone knew that. But the EU trades via WTO rules with many countries (who are also sensible enough not to have joined the SM) and the EU don't deliberately put obstacles in the way. The way this trade works is that a lot of the checks are computerised. The importer sends information to the border control about what the goods and this computerised data is accessed when the goods arrive at the border. A decision is made as to whether the goods need checking. It's a mixture of random selection and specific targeting of certain goods - but the point is that the checks are kept to a minimum to avoid creating delays and queues. Only a very small proportion of goods are checked. In fact we now check NOTHING from the EU - which is crazy IMO. However, in the cause of UK imports all goods have to carry full paper documentation - some of it very extensive. It can't be checked beforehand and it causes delays while the documentation is checked. And, as I've said, some documentation is rejected for trivial reasons (like pages being numbered wrongly for example). There was a good article in the Times a few months ago where they had a long list of examples of the EU turning back goods for incomprehensible reasons. Also, as I've said, they are 40 times more likely to check UK imports than imports from other third party countries. The object is to CAUSE friction, not minimise it. I've pointed out the problems several times but you keep on spouting the same nonsense and never address the plain facts. The EU are trying to sabotage Brexit - as you are too. There's no doubt about this. The EU is not acting with "goodwill" and it's obvious to anyone of normal intelligence why. You need to address the facts and stop the EU propaganda. You've just made yourself look a fool.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 10:24:10 GMT
Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.Northern Ireland isn't in the EU. It isn't even democratically represented. Politically, constitutionally, geographically even; Northern Ireland is neither in the EU nor part of the EU. It is a country in and of the United Kingdom but at the same time, it is in the EU for trading purposes since it follows EU trading rules as per our agreement with them. You don't come across as dumb so I'm sure you know what I'm talking about already. I just wonder why it even occurs to you to post such comments.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 10:34:40 GMT
Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.So why the need for border checkpoints for something you cannot do at the border? To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 25, 2022 10:40:39 GMT
Northern Ireland isn't in the EU. It isn't even democratically represented. Politically, constitutionally, geographically even; Northern Ireland is neither in the EU nor part of the EU. It is a country in and of the United Kingdom but at the same time, it is in the EU for trading purposes since it follows EU trading rules as per our agreement with them. You don't come across as dumb so I'm sure you know what I'm talking about already. I just wonder why it even occurs to you to post such comments. Because teasing an answer out of you with re. to Pacifico's question amounts to reading a lot of waffle and very little substance.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 25, 2022 10:46:16 GMT
So why the need for border checkpoints for something you cannot do at the border? To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter. Now that you've been educated that goods don't need to be immediately checked at ports: - Why can't goods destined for the EU be "subject to inspection" when they arrive in the EU - namely Ireland? - Why can't goods destined for Northern Ireland from GB be subject to the same status as they are from Birmingham to Cardiff? Now, before you hide behind the legalistic waffle of the WA & Protocol batting away for team EU - I'm asking you, why can't these things be practically implemented?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 10:58:20 GMT
^ I do understand your argument. I get it. You are demanding that the EU treat the UK as a special case. You are asking for leniency. For consideration, cooperation and assistance. After all, our product standards are still aligned with theirs and they do need our trade, anyway, so why not do away with all these onerous checks and inspections. That's your justification, isn't it? I have never said that the UK wants "leniency" of any kind. You plainly don't understand the English language - like a lot of people on this forum. We're now a third party country and should be treated as such. The problem is that we ARE being treated as a special case. Places like Switzerland and Turkey do NOT get treated like this. The point is that as soon as we left the SM there needed to be checks on goods imported to the EU. Everyone knew that. But the EU trades via WTO rules with many countries (who are also sensible enough not to have joined the SM) and the EU don't deliberately put obstacles in the way. The way this trade works is that a lot of the checks are computerised. The importer sends information to the border control about what the goods and this computerised data is accessed when the goods arrive at the border. A decision is made as to whether the goods need checking. It's a mixture of random selection and specific targeting of certain goods - but the point is that the checks are kept to a minimum to avoid creating delays and queues. Only a very small proportion of goods are checked. In fact we now check NOTHING from the EU - which is crazy IMO. However, in the cause of UK imports all goods have to carry full paper documentation - some of it very extensive. It can't be checked beforehand and it causes delays while the documentation is checked. And, as I've said, some documentation is rejected for trivial reasons (like pages being numbered wrongly for example). There was a good article in the Times a few months ago where they had a long list of examples of the EU turning back goods for incomprehensible reasons. Also, as I've said, they are 40 times more likely to check UK imports than imports from other third party countries. The object is to CAUSE friction, not minimise it. I've pointed out the problems several times but you keep on spouting the same nonsense and never address the plain facts. The EU are trying to sabotage Brexit - as you are too. There's no doubt about this. The EU is not acting with "goodwill" and it's obvious to anyone of normal intelligence why. You need to address the facts and stop the EU propaganda. You've just made yourself look a fool. You never said that the UK wants leniency -- not in so many words. But right, we are a third country and should be treated as such -- and the EU has been treating us as a third country. You are so against that now, why? Stop comparing the UK with either Switzerland or Turkey. Switzerland is in the Single Market and Turkey is in the EU Customs Union. We're not. The EU has been following the letter of the Withdrawal Agreement, the TCA inc the Protocol accordingly. And according to the agreements, physical checks and document scrutiny are part of the normal import/export process. Japanese products, for example, are physically checked and documents scrutinised. So, what obstacles has the EU put in our way? The EU offered to reduce 80% of the checks on our goods but we rejected the offer. Why are you now moaning and groaning that UK imports are 40 times more likely to be checked?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 11:07:12 GMT
Politically, constitutionally, geographically even; Northern Ireland is neither in the EU nor part of the EU. It is a country in and of the United Kingdom but at the same time, it is in the EU for trading purposes since it follows EU trading rules as per our agreement with them. You don't come across as dumb so I'm sure you know what I'm talking about already. I just wonder why it even occurs to you to post such comments. Because teasing an answer out of you with re. to Pacifico's question amounts to reading a lot of waffle and very little substance. If a question does not deserve an answer then you don't answer it. But, personally, I acknowledge the fact that the question has been asked.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 11:22:36 GMT
To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter. Now that you've been educated that goods don't need to be immediately checked at ports:- Why can't goods destined for the EU be "subject to inspection" when they arrive in the EU - namely Ireland? - Why can't goods destined for Northern Ireland from GB be subject to the same status as they are from Birmingham to Cardiff? Now, before you hide behind the legalistic waffle of the WA & Protocol batting away for team EU - I'm asking you, why can't these things be practically implemented? Yup. Goods need to be checked. But not immediately. The need arises once they enter the EU. The actual checks are carried out immediately at the port of entry where possible, otherwise, later at a bonded warehouse nearby. Now, tell that to Pacifico. Why can't goods destined for the EU be "subject to inspection" when they arrive in the EU - namely Ireland? - Because Northern Ireland is, trade wise, in the EU. Why can't goods destined for Northern Ireland from GB be subject to the same status as they are from Birmingham to Cardiff? - Because Northern Ireland is, trade wise, in the EU. I'm asking you, why can't these things be practically implemented? Because such things are in conflict with the agreements we signed. As simple as that.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 11:28:14 GMT
So why the need for border checkpoints for something you cannot do at the border? To prevent entrance of those that are unauthorised to enter. There are no checks on individuals.
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