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Post by Pacifico on Nov 23, 2022 22:21:54 GMT
Let me conflate or mash-up the two claims together and see if he gets it this time: "All non-EU goods must be checked the moment they enter the EU...and... the vast majority of these checks are carried out in approved warehouses and other premises, with a very small number at a port or airport."well as the approved warehouses are not at the ports then the goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU. Is English a second language for you? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 23:09:01 GMT
Let me conflate or mash-up the two claims together and see if he gets it this time: "All non-EU goods must be checked the moment they enter the EU...and... the vast majority of these checks are carried out in approved warehouses and other premises, with a very small number at a port or airport."well as the approved warehouses are not at the ports then the goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU. Is English a second language for you? Agreed. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU. Don't they?  That is, goods must be inspected therefore, they are inspected. Majority in warehouses, the rest at the port of entry. Got the drift? Again, I did not say and am not saying that all non-EU goods ARE inspected the moment they enter the EU. I said they MUST BE inspected the moment they enter the EU. Comprehend it already! |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 24, 2022 8:31:18 GMT
You seem to be forgetting that trade is meant to be beneficial to both sides. I have always agreed that the EU wants UK trade. I actually use the word need rather than want. I don't deny it; the EU themselves don't deny it. But what they also do not deny is that they will not pursue trade with the UK at the expense of their Single Market. That, you must accept and consider when assessing the problem -- if you want a balanced argument, that is. The UK pose no danger to the Single Market whatsoever. As I've already told you the UK is still fully compliant with all EU product laws - and that includes even the 85-90% of companies that don't trade with the EU. We haven't agreed to dynamic alignment however so over the years (or when we get round to repealing EU laws that we don't like) divergence will occur. But right now we're fully aligned. So what could possibly be the reason for the EU scrutinising our imports so closely? It's a tricky one isn't it. Oh, I know, it's because the EU have to make sure Brexit causes us problems, as a warning to other countries. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 8:43:56 GMT
well as the approved warehouses are not at the ports then the goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU. Is English a second language for you? Agreed. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, Good - now that this is finally established move on to the rest of the question. If the goods do not need inspecting as soon as they enter the EU why the insistence that border checkpoints are needed? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 10:32:32 GMT
Agreed. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, Good - now that this is finally established move on to the rest of the question. If the goods do not need inspecting as soon as they enter the EU why the insistence that border checkpoints are needed? ^ Nice try but your trick doesn't work. It's fake news. But, really, why does it even occur to you to misquote people. Don't do that -- it's sad and wrong. And it's butt clenching, especially coming from a moderator like you. Here's what we have both established which you've now been trying and failing to disprove: Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.Now. To answer your question: Goods do need inspecting as soon as they enter they EU. And as you have admitted they are, in fact, inspected. Whether the inspection occurs at the port of entry or elsewhere is not an issue here -- it's a red herring. The question you should ask is: does the need to inspect non EU goods arise the moment they enter the European Union? The answer is, Yes. To argue otherwise is stupid. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 11:35:40 GMT
Good - now that this is finally established move on to the rest of the question. If the goods do not need inspecting as soon as they enter the EU why the insistence that border checkpoints are needed? ^ Nice try but your trick doesn't work. It's fake news. But, really, why does it even occur to you to misquote people. Don't do that -- it's sad and wrong. And it's butt clenching, especially coming from a moderator like you. Here's what we have both established which you've now been trying and failing to disprove: Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.Now. To answer your question: Goods do need inspecting as soon as they enter they EU. And as you have admitted they are, in fact, inspected. Whether the inspection occurs at the port of entry or elsewhere is not an issue here -- it's a red herring. The question you should ask is: does the need to inspect non EU goods arise the moment they enter the European Union? The answer is, Yes. To argue otherwise is stupid. That word jumble makes absolutely no sense at all. We have already established that goods do not need inspecting as soon as they enter the EU - so I ask again why the demand for border checkpoints? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 11:48:50 GMT
I have always agreed that the EU wants UK trade. I actually use the word need rather than want. I don't deny it; the EU themselves don't deny it. But what they also do not deny is that they will not pursue trade with the UK at the expense of their Single Market. That, you must accept and consider when assessing the problem -- if you want a balanced argument, that is. The UK pose no danger to the Single Market whatsoever. As I've already told you the UK is still fully compliant with all EU product laws - and that includes even the 85-90% of companies that don't trade with the EU. We haven't agreed to dynamic alignment however so over the years (or when we get round to repealing EU laws that we don't like) divergence will occur. But right now we're fully aligned. So what could possibly be the reason for the EU scrutinising our imports so closely? It's a tricky one isn't it. Oh, I know, it's because the EU have to make sure Brexit causes us problems, as a warning to other countries. The reason is because the EU no longer trusts the UK to enact the agreement accordingly. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 12:06:13 GMT
^ Nice try but your trick doesn't work. It's fake news. But, really, why does it even occur to you to misquote people. Don't do that -- it's sad and wrong. And it's butt clenching, especially coming from a moderator like you. Here's what we have both established which you've now been trying and failing to disprove: Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU.Now. To answer your question: Goods do need inspecting as soon as they enter they EU. And as you have admitted they are, in fact, inspected. Whether the inspection occurs at the port of entry or elsewhere is not an issue here -- it's a red herring. The question you should ask is: does the need to inspect non EU goods arise the moment they enter the European Union? The answer is, Yes. To argue otherwise is stupid. That word jumble makes absolutely no sense at all. We have already established that goods do not need inspecting as soon as they enter the EU - so I ask again why the demand for border checkpoints? And on to the next trick he goes! This trick doesn't work either. You can't pick and choose what to edit out of the entire premise. That's self-delusional! Here, this is what we have established -- the complete version: Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU. Therefore, goods DO need inspecting as soon as they enter the EU -- the EU requires it, even! -- but they do not necessarily get inspected at the borders as soon as they enter the EU. The second clause does not invalidate the need for goods to be inspected. But it confirms, reconfirms, reaffirms the need for inspection of goods. And of course, it all makes sense! |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 24, 2022 13:47:58 GMT
ZZZZzzzz....
Jeez this is pointless. If you can't understand what's going on you must be a cretin.
The eU Commission don't give a flying fuck how much damage they do to their member countries in their determined pursuit of stopping perfectly legitimate trade with the UK. It means nothing to them because they're a bunch of unelected bureaucrats who can't be booted out because they were never elected anyway. The UK doesn't have that luxury - of just playing tit for tat with a pointless trade war = because our politicians CAN be booted out. That's the difference between being in the EU and self government.
But you will never understand this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 15:49:49 GMT
ZZZZzzzz.... Jeez this is pointless. If you can't understand what's going on you must be a cretin. The eU Commission don't give a flying fuck how much damage they do to their member countries in their determined pursuit of stopping perfectly legitimate trade with the UK. It means nothing to them because they're a bunch of unelected bureaucrats who can't be booted out because they were never elected anyway. The UK doesn't have that luxury - of just playing tit for tat with a pointless trade war = because our politicians CAN be booted out. That's the difference between being in the EU and self government. But you will never understand this. ^ I do understand your argument. I get it. You are demanding that the EU treat the UK as a special case. You are asking for leniency. For consideration, cooperation and assistance. After all, our product standards are still aligned with theirs and they do need our trade, anyway, so why not do away with all these onerous checks and inspections. That's your justification, isn't it? But what you don't understand and what you fail to consider is that you are asking the EU as though we had the right to such demands. We don't. And you can't even acknowledge it. It is not written in the agreement that if the UK threatens to scrap that agreement, it will be treated with leniency and consideration. What you are demanding can be granted only as a gesture of goodwill and as a show of trust. Unfortunately, we have already destroyed both. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 18:35:19 GMT
That word jumble makes absolutely no sense at all. We have already established that goods do not need inspecting as soon as they enter the EU - so I ask again why the demand for border checkpoints? And on to the next trick he goes! This trick doesn't work either. You can't pick and choose what to edit out of the entire premise. That's self-delusional! I edited out all the irrelevant nonsense. So for the third time of asking.. ( ) I ask again why the demand for border checkpoints? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 19:21:57 GMT
And on to the next trick he goes! This trick doesn't work either. You can't pick and choose what to edit out of the entire premise. That's self-delusional! I edited out all the irrelevant nonsense. So for the third time of asking.. ( ) I ask again why the demand for border checkpoints? Oh, "irrelevant nonsense" he says now! Please. Stop deluding yourself. You edited out the part that you are unable to refute. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 24, 2022 20:28:27 GMT
I edited out all the irrelevant nonsense. So for the third time of asking.. ( ) I ask again why the demand for border checkpoints? Oh, "irrelevant nonsense" he says now! Please. Stop deluding yourself. You edited out the part that you are unable to refute. You can't answer his question, and talk a load of mumbo jumbo to obfuscate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 22:18:25 GMT
I edited out all the irrelevant nonsense. So for the third time of asking.. ( ) I ask again why the demand for border checkpoints? Oh, "irrelevant nonsense" he says now! Please. Stop deluding yourself. You edited out the part that you are unable to refute. Wot - no answer? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 22:46:28 GMT
Oh, "irrelevant nonsense" he says now! Please. Stop deluding yourself. You edited out the part that you are unable to refute. Wot - no answer? Of course, there is. Here, read it and weep. Some more. Goods cannot be inspected as soon as they enter the EU, but they become subject to inspection as soon as they enter the EU. |
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That is, goods must be inspected therefore, they are inspected. Majority in warehouses, the rest at the port of entry. Got the drift? 
