|
|
Post by Vinny on Oct 22, 2023 11:59:44 GMT
Meanwhile Law and Justice got the most votes and seats.
|
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Oct 22, 2023 12:13:55 GMT
PROVIDE THE LINK TO THE SUPPOSED COMMISSION-ISSUED ULTIMATUM TO THE POLISH PEOPLE. How many times do you have to be asked? Asked what? If you actually asked a reasonable question you might get an answer but you just post nonsense. Do you ever follow what goes on in the EU? Don't bother to answer, because I'm not that interested. Provide a link to The Commission's ultimatum. That's the whole premise of this ridiculous thread, isn't it? You're claiming that the EU has bullied the Polish people into voting out the Law and Justice Party. So, let's see a link to where The Commission tells the Polish people they have to vote them out or they will get no more money. |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Oct 22, 2023 12:17:29 GMT
Meanwhile Law and Justice got the most votes and seats. You're a weird kind of populist, aren't you, Iggy? So, you don't want majority rule? You want the first-past-the-post system for Poland? How's about they decide for themselves what voting system they use? I'm not aware of any other voting system outside the UK that allows a minority to rule the majority the way the first-past-the-post system allows. Maybe there are other countries using it, but it doesn't appeal to many. Rule by the minority as per the UK system just isn't attractive to most democrats. |
|
|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Oct 23, 2023 6:35:35 GMT
Asked what? If you actually asked a reasonable question you might get an answer but you just post nonsense. Do you ever follow what goes on in the EU? Don't bother to answer, because I'm not that interested. Provide a link to The Commission's ultimatum. That's the whole premise of this ridiculous thread, isn't it? You're claiming that the EU has bullied the Polish people into voting out the Law and Justice Party. So, let's see a link to where The Commission tells the Polish people they have to vote them out or they will get no more money. Donald Tusk has said that billions of Euros will be released from the EU Recovery and Resilience fund if he takes control. Most other EU countries have received this funding but not Poland as the EU has withheld payment. Sorry, but you need to keep up. You can't remain blindly ignorant about everything (especially the EU) and expect to have it all explained to you. |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Oct 23, 2023 9:17:27 GMT
Provide a link to The Commission's ultimatum. That's the whole premise of this ridiculous thread, isn't it? You're claiming that the EU has bullied the Polish people into voting out the Law and Justice Party. So, let's see a link to where The Commission tells the Polish people they have to vote them out or they will get no more money. Donald Tusk has said that billions of Euros will be released from the EU Recovery and Resilience fund if he takes control. Most other EU countries have received this funding but not Poland as the EU has withheld payment. Sorry, but you need to keep up. You can't remain blindly ignorant about everything (especially the EU) and expect to have it all explained to you. I don't expect to be told much by someone who didn't even know that the Commission is the policeman of the treaties, Snugs. The EU was entitled to withhold payment. Who saved democracy in the UK when Bozo tried to unlawfully prorogue Parliament? It was the judiciary. Of course, the EU was always going to withhold payments to a Polish government that was stacking its highest courts with a judiciary that would allow it to ride roughshod over democracy. You probably support Bozo's blatant attack on democracy, so it's no surprise that you take exception to the EU's position. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2023 10:27:42 GMT
Provide a link to The Commission's ultimatum. That's the whole premise of this ridiculous thread, isn't it? You're claiming that the EU has bullied the Polish people into voting out the Law and Justice Party. So, let's see a link to where The Commission tells the Polish people they have to vote them out or they will get no more money. Donald Tusk has said that billions of Euros will be released from the EU Recovery and Resilience fund if he takes control. Most other EU countries have received this funding but not Poland as the EU has withheld payment. Sorry, but you need to keep up. You can't remain blindly ignorant about everything (especially the EU) and expect to have it all explained to you. You're not wrong. notesfrompoland.com/2022/10/17/eu-withholding-billions-in-cohesion-funds-from-poland-over-rule-of-law-concerns/ |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Oct 23, 2023 10:51:07 GMT
Isn't that perfectly acceptable? It's certainly acceptable to UK law. Take the withholding of funds for unpaid fines, for example; UK law permits a 'set off' in those circumstances. |
|
|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Oct 23, 2023 12:54:50 GMT
Donald Tusk has said that billions of Euros will be released from the EU Recovery and Resilience fund if he takes control. Most other EU countries have received this funding but not Poland as the EU has withheld payment. Sorry, but you need to keep up. You can't remain blindly ignorant about everything (especially the EU) and expect to have it all explained to you. I don't expect to be told much by someone who didn't even know that the Commission is the policeman of the treaties, Snugs. The EU Commission MAKES the treaties you numpty. Who do you think Michel Barnier worked for when he negotiated with our govt. The Commission is their govt. I suggest that you buy a basic book on the structure of the EU. And fuck off. |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Oct 23, 2023 13:03:53 GMT
I don't expect to be told much by someone who didn't even know that the Commission is the policeman of the treaties, Snugs. The EU Commission MAKES the treaties you numpty. Who do you think Michel Barnier worked for when he negotiated with our govt. The Commission is their govt. I suggest that you buy a basic book on the structure of the EU. And fuck off. And who do you think the Commission works for? It's elementary that the Commission is the policeman of the treaties. It's also a given that you would approve of a government's being able to by-pass democracy by stacking its highest courts with its stooges. The Supreme Court put a stop to Bozo's attempt to by-pass the elected parliament at Westminster, and the EU and the Polish people have just put a stop to Poland's right-wing doing the same there. You're shit out of luck, Snuggles  |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2023 17:31:49 GMT
I don't expect to be told much by someone who didn't even know that the Commission is the policeman of the treaties, Snugs. The EU Commission MAKES the treaties you numpty. Who do you think Michel Barnier worked for when he negotiated with our govt. The Commission is their govt. I suggest that you buy a basic book on the structure of the EU. And fuck off. Well said. |
|
|
|
Post by Einhorn on Oct 23, 2023 18:32:12 GMT
The EU Commission MAKES the treaties you numpty. Who do you think Michel Barnier worked for when he negotiated with our govt. The Commission is their govt. I suggest that you buy a basic book on the structure of the EU. And fuck off. Well said. Says the clown who doesn't know the difference between a directive and a regulation. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 20:22:29 GMT
With The Law & Justice Party, the people of Poland were always on a loser
The people of Poland are broadly pro European, the country and the economy has never looked back since joining the EU, but the colision course between Poland and the EU was entirely the fault of the populist Law & Justice Party.
When Poland joined the EU, they did so with a mandate to do so from the Polish people, and Poland agreed to adhere to the articles of THe ECHR, which is a requirement to join the European Union.
The Law & Justice Party set the colision with the European courts by politicising the Polish Justice System, and by taking political control of the media, and by banning LGBT events and outlawing gay rights that all other European nations enjoy.
If you wish to belong to the European Union, you MUST adhere to their values, an independent judiciary, democracy, equal rights for minorities, the rule of law, equality.
The Law & Justice Party can best be described as a "Catholic Extremist Party", and I am certain that Poland will be much better off now that they have gone.
|
|
|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Oct 24, 2023 6:56:46 GMT
Poland has the lowest crime rate in the EU and is one of the best of the EU countries to live in, with good health care etc. You don't need to agree to the ECHR nonsense to be in the EU. As for the LBGT bollocks there's no problem with being gay in Poland - you just won't be allowed to go on "Pride" marches or get married. That's the way it was here until a short time ago.
What really pisses the EU off is that the Poles won't let in muslims. Good for them. That's why they have little crime or terrorism. The EU has turned most of Europe into a cesspit by letting in vast numbers of illegal immigrants who come from cultures that not compatible with European values. Sweden has gone from a peaceful land to one of the most dangerous in Europe because of muslim terrorism and rape gangs, and Germany isn't much better.
The EU is in the process of destroying the culture of Europe. Unfortunately our government is just as bad.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 21:14:19 GMT
Poland has the lowest crime rate in the EU and is one of the best of the EU countries to live in, with good health care etc. You don't need to agree to the ECHR nonsense to be in the EU. As for the LBGT bollocks there's no problem with being gay in Poland - you just won't be allowed to go on "Pride" marches or get married. That's the way it was here until a short time ago. What really pisses the EU off is that the Poles won't let in muslims. Good for them. That's why they have little crime or terrorism. The EU has turned most of Europe into a cesspit by letting in vast numbers of illegal immigrants who come from cultures that not compatible with European values. Sweden has gone from a peaceful land to one of the most dangerous in Europe because of muslim terrorism and rape gangs, and Germany isn't much better. The EU is in the process of destroying the culture of Europe. Unfortunately our government is just as bad. (1) The prospect of EU membership (also entails subscription to the European Convention on Human Rights), The low crime rate or standard of living or good health care also existed in Poland BEFORE the Law & Justice party came to power. The former Polish government could not bar migrants based on faith, as that would be a clear breech of the ECHR, and it would be on a par with how the Nazi Party of Germany singled out Jewish people, it would be unacceptable. (2) It is not within the EU's remit or scope to decide how many migrants or asylum seekers come into the EU, it is the sole perogative of individual states. Yes - it is true that Homosexuality was once banned in many countries, but we have moved on, we have progressed, it was also once illegal for women to own property, women were once not allowed to vote, it was perfectly legal in 1960 for any company or business to refuse to employ black people. Do you want to turn the clock back ? ... Why should it be illegal for gay people to gather and march ? ... are you opposed to equal rights for all. ? The culture of Europe ? ... Europe has had people of different faiths for a thousand years, including Jews, including Muslims in the Balkans, Eastern Europe, Crimea and the Caucases. Europe is multi ethnic, multi cultural, a continent of many languages, many cultures, many peoples. The European Union has been in existence in one form or another since the 1950s, and it is proof that people of different nationalities, differing cultures, languages and backgrounds CAN WORK TOGETHER for the good of all. |
|
|
|
Post by steppenwolf on Oct 25, 2023 5:57:50 GMT
1. You may have to accept the ECHR nonsense to join the EU, but there's no rule that you can't leave - or simply ignore it's pronouncements like many countries do. The ECHR have no means of enforcement for their nonsense.
2. Poland don't have to ban immigrant muslims specifically, they simply won't accept illegal immigrants which is effectively roughly the same thing. Another ploy many countries use is to ban immigration from countries that support state sponsored terrorism - which is most of the muslim countries. And this is not contrary to human rights.
3. Why should it be illegal for gay people to march? What would happen in this country is someone tried to hold a Straight Pride march? It would be banned.
4. On the subject of culture you seem to be unaware - or conveniently ignoring - that the "religion" of muslim regards homosexuality as haram (forbidden) and women as second class citizens. It also upholds the concept of muslim supremacy and a policy of global caliphate. And it rejects free speech. The fact that the EU accepts these beliefs is a disgrace.
|
|
