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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 17, 2023 13:32:28 GMT
The EU are a dictatorship whichever way you look at it. It's a relatively sophisticated dictatorship in that they use other people's money to bribe electorates. They've been doing it for years but this is the most obvious example I've seen.
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 17, 2023 18:38:11 GMT
The EU are a dictatorship whichever way you look at it. It's a relatively sophisticated dictatorship in that they use other people's money to bribe electorates. They've been doing it for years but this is the most obvious example I've seen. Gammon bullshit! No member state wants its payments to go to Poland if Poland isn't willing to comply with EU regulations. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 18, 2023 6:53:52 GMT
Not sure what it's got to do with gammon, but it's got nothing to do with "member states". This is the use of financial bribery to manipulate an election, pure and simple.
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 18, 2023 10:28:34 GMT
Not sure what it's got to do with gammon, but it's got nothing to do with "member states". This is the use of financial bribery to manipulate an election, pure and simple. The EU can't withhold payments unless that is legal according to the treaties. Show us how what they have done is not in compliance with the EU's rights and Poland's obligations under the treaties. There has been no EU corruption. Rather, the Polish people have shown majority support for the EU. The majority of member states want Poland to comply with its obligations under its treaty with the EU. The majority of Polish people want Poland to comply with their obligations under their treaty with the EU. Only in Gammon Daily Mail gaga land is that undemocratic. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 18, 2023 12:55:23 GMT
The condition that they've applied to paying the billions that have been withheld from Poland are that they vote for a different government. That's a denial of the democratic process. But of course the EU is not a democratic institution. It's run by an unelected group of bureaucrats in the EU Commission.
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 18, 2023 14:08:40 GMT
The condition that they've applied to paying the billions that have been withheld from Poland are that they vote for a different government. That's a denial of the democratic process. But of course the EU is not a democratic institution. It's run by an unelected group of bureaucrats in the EU Commission. That's as absurd as saying that threats to withhold payments to France for failed efforts to stop dinghy crossings is an attempt to interfere with the democratic process in France. Meh! Who cares? Nobody's listening to your bullshit, Snuggles. The latest poll shows 63% now favour rejoining. It's just a 1% increase since the last, but the will of the majority closer to home is now apparent. Maybe, it's time you redirected your 'democratic' indignation. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 19, 2023 6:42:53 GMT
The condition that they've applied to paying the billions that have been withheld from Poland are that they vote for a different government. That's a denial of the democratic process. But of course the EU is not a democratic institution. It's run by an unelected group of bureaucrats in the EU Commission. That's as absurd as saying that threats to withhold payments to France for failed efforts to stop dinghy crossings is an attempt to interfere with the democratic process in France. Bollocks. It has nothing to do with any democratic process. Why are remainers so stupid. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 19, 2023 8:25:11 GMT
That's as absurd as saying that threats to withhold payments to France for failed efforts to stop dinghy crossings is an attempt to interfere with the democratic process in France. Bollocks. It has nothing to do with any democratic process. Why are remainers so stupid. The Commission is the policeman of the treaties. That is its primary role. The Commission threatened a penalty for Poland's breach of its treaty obligations. Only a gammon would be surprised by its doing what it was established to do. And, on the subject of democracy, one of the primary planks of the Commission's complaint was that the Polish government was acting undemocratically insofar as it stacked its highest court with its stooges. An independent judiciary is essential to democracy. The Polish people have rejected their undemocratic, anti-EU right-wing government. If you can't accept that 63% of Brits now favour rejoining, at least accept that the Polish people are very substantially pro-EU. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 19, 2023 11:11:40 GMT
Are you suggesting that the PiS should stay in power with a majority in parliament supported by only 36.6% of the electorate They got the most votes and most seats, they WON the election. Therefore any coalition should be with them. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 19, 2023 12:19:28 GMT
Bollocks. It has nothing to do with any democratic process. Why are remainers so stupid. The Commission is the policeman of the treaties. That is its primary role. The Commission threatened a penalty for Poland's breach of its treaty obligations. Only a gammon would be surprised by its doing what it was established to do. Bollocks. Poland never signed up to any treaty that required them to accept illegal immigrants with no identity. And your racist use of the word "gammon" is a measure of your stupidity. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 19, 2023 12:21:06 GMT
The Commission is the policeman of the treaties. That is its primary role. The Commission threatened a penalty for Poland's breach of its treaty obligations. Only a gammon would be surprised by its doing what it was established to do. Bollocks. Poland never signed up to any treaty that required them to accept illegal immigrants with no identity. And your racist use of the word "gammon" is a measure of your stupidity. Let's see the Commission's supposed vote-the-fascists-out-or-else ultimatum, Snuggles. Provide a link to this so-called threat. And gammon is no more a racist insult than a blonde joke is. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 19, 2023 13:13:38 GMT
Not sure what it's got to do with gammon, but it's got nothing to do with "member states". This is the use of financial bribery to manipulate an election, pure and simple. What? And promising to reduce taxes before an election isn't financial bribery? Anyway, let's see a link to this so-called threat. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 19, 2023 13:14:35 GMT
Are you suggesting that the PiS should stay in power with a majority in parliament supported by only 36.6% of the electorate They got the most votes and most seats, they WON the election. Therefore any coalition should be with them. They are free to form a coalition with any party that is prepared to go into government with them. Any takers? |
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Post by patman post on Oct 19, 2023 23:01:06 GMT
Do we know what the Polish constitution says about elections and votes and how they can be allocated/distributed when politicians are returned?
Shouldn’t voted-in politicians be able to choose which other politicians they agree mostly with and so form alliances and parties…?
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2023 23:22:32 GMT
The EU are a dictatorship whichever way you look at it. It's a relatively sophisticated dictatorship in that they use other people's money to bribe electorates. They've been doing it for years but this is the most obvious example I've seen. Gammon bullshit! No member state wants its payments to go to Poland if Poland isn't willing to comply with EU regulations. No member state has a choice where their payments go. |
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