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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 16, 2023 6:35:00 GMT
It looks like the incumbent Polish "right wing" party "Law and Justice" has lost power - despite winning the most votes. Donald Tusk (ex-president of the EU) looks to be the likeliest to be able to form a coalition government. Of course the EU will be happy because Tusk is their man - they had problems with the Law and Justice party because they didn't kowtow to the EU and refused to accept migrants. This has had beneficial effects for Poland in that it has the lowest crime rate in the EU.
Obviously the EU regard this as a triumph for "democracy", but it's interesting that this "triumph" has been achieved by refusing to release billions of euros of funding to Poland while Law and Justice are in power. If Tusk is in power then this money will be released.
The obvious question is whether this is legal. Is it legal for the EU to effectively bribe the voters not to vote for parties they don't like?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2023 6:40:03 GMT
Of course it's legal - it's their train set and they can run it anyway they like. If Poland does not like the rules they can leave - like we did.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 16, 2023 9:59:02 GMT
Interesting, this of course comes on the back of the Ukraine conflict and Poland has a history with the EU so I am guessing this vote give the EU sovereignty and the economic immigrants can start flowing in.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 16, 2023 12:17:13 GMT
Any coalition could be short lived.
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Post by dappy on Oct 16, 2023 12:33:25 GMT
Could be or could govern successfully until the next election there (whenever that is). Do you closely study Polish politics Vinny?
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 13:21:25 GMT
It seems the Law and Justice party who have been in power since 2015 have been rocked by recent scandals including revelations that Polish consulates have been secretly selling thousands of visas for bribes. Even so, before the 'Visas for bribes' scandal broke last month, Law and Justice were on 38% with the Civic Coalition on 30%, which means with or without allegations of corruption, coalition was inevitable.
According to an updated exit poll released today, PiS [Law and Justice] were on 36.6% , followed by the centrist Civic Coalition on 31%, the centre right Third Way on 13.5%, the Left on 8.6% and the far-right Confederation on 6.4%. So, as stated in the OP, although PiS won, opposition parties will have a majority of seats. It will however be of little comfort to Tusk and I'm sure the EU that PiS still polled 36.6% of the popular vote.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 16, 2023 13:28:48 GMT
Even so they won the most votes and seats of any party there.
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Post by dappy on Oct 16, 2023 13:31:35 GMT
But not enough to control a majority of seats and hence seem likely to lose power which I imagine might be quite a lot of comfort to Tusk....
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 15:04:19 GMT
Even so they won the most votes and seats of any party there. Indeed Vin, unfortunately and much to the relief of the EU, they also use PR. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 16, 2023 15:44:30 GMT
Are you suggesting that the PiS should stay in power with a majority in parliament supported by only 36.6% of the electorate
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 15:49:11 GMT
Are you suggesting that the PiS should stay in power with a majority in parliament supported by only 36.6% of the electorate Are you talking to me?.. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 16, 2023 16:25:39 GMT
Are you suggesting that the PiS should stay in power with a majority in parliament supported by only 36.6% of the electorate Are you saying a party with even less support should govern? Law and justice got the most votes, and the most seats, but not an outright majority. They should be able to lead a coalition, or a confidence and supply government. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 17, 2023 0:59:57 GMT
Of course if they can find coalition partners willing to work with them they would combined command the votes of over 50% of the polish votes and then form a government.
If a combination of other parties holding more than 50% of the votes can work together, they will command a majority and together form the next government.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 17, 2023 6:41:10 GMT
I'm more worried about the conduct of the election. We all know that Poland has been a pain in the arse to the EU - and it looks like the EU has rigged the election to try and get rid of them. If an African election had been won by one party paying people to vote for it we would all call it a violation of democracy. But when the EU does it the MSM barely mentions it.
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 17, 2023 8:53:07 GMT
I'm more worried about the conduct of the election. We all know that Poland has been a pain in the arse to the EU - and it looks like the EU has rigged the election to try and get rid of them. If an African election had been won by one party paying people to vote for it we would all call it a violation of democracy. But when the EU does it the MSM barely mentions it. That's because the corruption is a figment of your gammon imagination, Snuggles. |
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