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Post by Einhorn on Oct 19, 2023 23:32:16 GMT
Gammon bullshit! No member state wants its payments to go to Poland if Poland isn't willing to comply with EU regulations. No member state has a choice where their payments go. Link to a member state that supports Poland's right to stack its highest court with government stooges, please. And a link to the Commission's ultimatum, if you've got one. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2023 23:59:25 GMT
No member state has a choice where their payments go. Link to a member state that supports Poland's right to stack it highest court with government stooges, please. And a link to the Commission's ultimatum, if you've got one. LOL, superb. Einy, the stooges who represent 'member states' do not represent the majority of people from that member state. Like unelected commissioners they represent the EU. The only MEP who represented the true feelings of their electorate was Nigel Farage which is why he was hated in Brussels. Remember Junckers famous "no more referendums" rant, the EU as you well know is designed so it cant be voted out. The EU was imposed and there is no instrument available to any electorates of any member state to vote it out, or leave. As Mikhail Gorbachev said, the EU is the western version of the politburo. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 20, 2023 0:02:12 GMT
Link to a member state that supports Poland's right to stack it highest court with government stooges, please. And a link to the Commission's ultimatum, if you've got one. LOL, superb. Einy, the stooges who represent 'member states' do not represent the majority of people from that member state. Like unelected commissioners they represent the EU. The only MEP who represented the true feelings of their electorate was Nigel Farage which is why he was hated in Brussels. Remember Junckers famous "no more referendums" rant, the EU as you well know is designed so it cant be voted out. The EU was imposed and there is no instrument available to any electorates of any member state to vote it out, or leave. As Mikhail Gorbachev said, the EU is the western version of the politburo. Let's see this link to the Commission's infamous ultimatum, Red. As for the majority of 'the member states', a clear majority in Poland is pro-EU. Pro-EU parties won significantly more seats than was 'won' by leave in the UK in 2016. LOL, by the way. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 20, 2023 0:05:02 GMT
LOL, superb. Einy, the stooges who represent 'member states' do not represent the majority of people from that member state. Like unelected commissioners they represent the EU. The only MEP who represented the true feelings of their electorate was Nigel Farage which is why he was hated in Brussels. Remember Junckers famous "no more referendums" rant, the EU as you well know is designed so it cant be voted out. The EU was imposed and there is no instrument available to any electorates of any member state to vote it out, or leave. As Mikhail Gorbachev said, the EU is the western version of the politburo. Let's see this link to the Commission's infamous ultimatum, Red. As for the majority of 'the member states', a clear majority in Poland is pro-EU. Pro-EU parties won significantly more seats than was 'won' by leave in the UK in 2016. LOL, by the way. Before I dismantle your post... ...Infamous link! What infamous link? |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 20, 2023 0:07:04 GMT
Let's see this link to the Commission's infamous ultimatum, Red. As for the majority of 'the member states', a clear majority in Poland is pro-EU. Pro-EU parties won significantly more seats than was 'won' by leave in the UK in 2016. LOL, by the way. Before I dismantle your post... ...Infamous link! What infamous link? A link to the Commission's threat to the Polish people to vote out the Law and Justice party or else. That's the premise of this thread. As for dismantling my post, I suppose there's a first time for everything. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 20, 2023 0:16:15 GMT
Before I dismantle your post... ...Infamous link! What infamous link? A link to the Commission's threat to the Polish people to vote out the Law and Justice party or else. That's the premise of this thread. As for dismantling my post, I suppose there's a first time for everything. Einy, this 'infamous link', what are you talking about? The EU has certainly threatened Poland with huge fines and withholding payments on numerous occasions, but that's a matter of public record. What the fuck is this infamous link you keep banging on about? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 20, 2023 0:33:35 GMT
Einy, EINY...
Fek sake I hadn't even started and the white flag went up. I sincerely hope this country never has to rely on lefties.
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 20, 2023 9:21:30 GMT
Einy, EINY...Fek sake I hadn't even started and the white flag went up. I sincerely hope this country never has to rely on lefties. This is precisely the sort of thing that gives excessive alcohol consumption a bad name, Red. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 20, 2023 9:40:43 GMT
It looks like the incumbent Polish "right wing" party "Law and Justice" has lost power - despite winning the most votes. Donald Tusk (ex-president of the EU) looks to be the likeliest to be able to form a coalition government. Of course the EU will be happy because Tusk is their man - they had problems with the Law and Justice party because they didn't kowtow to the EU and refused to accept migrants. This has had beneficial effects for Poland in that it has the lowest crime rate in the EU. Obviously the EU regard this as a triumph for "democracy", but it's interesting that this "triumph" has been achieved by refusing to release billions of euros of funding to Poland while Law and Justice are in power. If Tusk is in power then this money will be released. The obvious question is whether this is legal. Is it legal for the EU to effectively bribe the voters not to vote for parties they don't like? personally , i dont know much about polish politics, but i am aware of Donald Tusk , whom i quite like as a politician. A good friend to scotland . |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 20, 2023 12:36:47 GMT
Not sure what it's got to do with gammon, but it's got nothing to do with "member states". This is the use of financial bribery to manipulate an election, pure and simple. What? And promising to reduce taxes before an election isn't financial bribery? It's not an accurate analogy. In the case of Poland the EU Commission has withheld grants (several billion euros) that should have gone to Poland because they don't like the ruling party. That's called interfering with an election. And the body doing the interfering is the unelected EU Commission. That's completely different from one of the parties up for democratic election offering to reduce taxes. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 20, 2023 12:44:07 GMT
What? And promising to reduce taxes before an election isn't financial bribery? It's not an accurate analogy. In the case of Poland the EU Commission has withheld grants (several billion euros) that should have gone to Poland because they don't like the ruling party. That's called interfering with an election. And the body doing the interfering is the unelected EU Commission. That's completely different from one of the parties up for democratic election offering to reduce taxes. Let me help you with that: The money should have gone to Poland IF Poland upheld its treaty obligations. Poland's rights were conditional upon its maintaining basic democratic standards. When the Polish government installed stooges in its highest courts, its rights were negated. Similarly, charitable payments made to the governments of third world countries might be withdrawn if those governments fail to recognise basic human rights. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 20, 2023 12:46:12 GMT
What? And promising to reduce taxes before an election isn't financial bribery? It's not an accurate analogy. In the case of Poland the EU Commission has withheld grants (several billion euros) that should have gone to Poland because they don't like the ruling party. That's called interfering with an election. And the body doing the interfering is the unelected EU Commission. That's completely different from one of the parties up for democratic election offering to reduce taxes. The Commission is the policeman of the treaties. As a general rule, police authorities aren't elected. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 20, 2023 13:14:22 GMT
And there is no treaty that says that a member country should accept illegal immigrants. And the Commission is NOT the "policeman of the treaties". It's the EU government. Only governments propose legislation. You've swallowed all the EU bullshit hook, line and sinker. Get it into your thick head - the EU is a dictatorship. That's why we left. And good riddance.
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 20, 2023 13:37:29 GMT
And there is no treaty that says that a member country should accept illegal immigrants. And the Commission is NOT the "policeman of the treaties". It's the EU government. Only governments propose legislation. You've swallowed all the EU bullshit hook, line and sinker. Get it into your thick head - the EU is a dictatorship. That's why we left. And good riddance. The Commission IS the policeman of the treaties. Learn the basics, Snuggles. And the Commission CANNOT MAKE LEGISLATION. It can only PROPOSE LEGISLATION. That is an entirely different thing. |
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 20, 2023 13:38:23 GMT
And there is no treaty that says that a member country should accept illegal immigrants. And the Commission is NOT the "policeman of the treaties". It's the EU government. Only governments propose legislation. You've swallowed all the EU bullshit hook, line and sinker. Get it into your thick head - the EU is a dictatorship. That's why we left. And good riddance. 63% now regret leaving, Snugs. Get that into your thick head. |
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