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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 15, 2023 11:37:27 GMT
Drivers face overstay or idle fees if they remain at the charger too long. For every extra minute a vehicle remains at the charger, drivers will be hit with an idle fee, although it will be waived if they leave within five minutes. Overstay fees will only begin charging if the Supercharger station is at 50 per cent capacity or more. However, overstay fees will double when the station is at 100 per cent capacity, with Tesla stating that it will " increase customer happiness". In the UK, drivers will be hit with a 50p charge per minute, with it rising to £1 a minute when the station is full. There is no limit to this fee and drivers will be charged for every minute they stay there until they pick their car up again. Other companies will also charge drivers if they are already fully charged. Osprey Charging, one of the UK’s most popular rapid and ultra-rapid charging providers, charges £5 for every 15 minute period for leaving a vehicle parking inside or 'near' a charging bay. www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-drivers-warning-public-charging-finesSo you plug in your EV for a two hour charge and go shopping. Because you were delayed slightly you return 2½ hours later, and receive a £30 overstay charge. Is there any wonder people are turning away from electric cars. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 15, 2023 12:33:23 GMT
Yup . One more reason to avoid them . Insurance cost , fire hazard , range anxiety etc .
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 15, 2023 21:24:33 GMT
Drivers face overstay or idle fees if they remain at the charger too long. For every extra minute a vehicle remains at the charger, drivers will be hit with an idle fee, although it will be waived if they leave within five minutes. Overstay fees will only begin charging if the Supercharger station is at 50 per cent capacity or more. However, overstay fees will double when the station is at 100 per cent capacity, with Tesla stating that it will " increase customer happiness". In the UK, drivers will be hit with a 50p charge per minute, with it rising to £1 a minute when the station is full. There is no limit to this fee and drivers will be charged for every minute they stay there until they pick their car up again. Other companies will also charge drivers if they are already fully charged. Osprey Charging, one of the UK’s most popular rapid and ultra-rapid charging providers, charges £5 for every 15 minute period for leaving a vehicle parking inside or 'near' a charging bay. www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-drivers-warning-public-charging-finesSo you plug in your EV for a two hour charge and go shopping. Because you were delayed slightly you return 2½ hours later, and receive a £30 overstay charge. Is there any wonder people are turning away from electric cars. Or you fill your petrol car up in less than 5 mins , park in the shops car park for £3 and go shopping |
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Post by patman post on Oct 15, 2023 22:00:22 GMT
The GBNews scare story actually says “ Motorists could be charged £1 per minute when charging their electric car”. It doesn’t say “will be”. Maybe in busy Mayfair where there’s a 24hr turnover, but where else?
Plenty of charging points round London charge only for the charge. Do you think the organisations who run the street chargers expect residents to get up at 2am to unplug their cars because they’re fully charged…?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2023 6:52:38 GMT
The GBNews scare story actually says “ Motorists could be charged £1 per minute when charging their electric car”. It doesn’t say “will be”. Osprey already do it. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 16, 2023 7:18:11 GMT
It's actually very difficult for providers to make a profit out of EV chargers because the rate of energy delivery is a small fraction of the rate of delivery at a petrol pump. While a petrol pump can put enough petrol in a car to take it 400 miles in a couple of minutes, the same amount of energy from a charger would take at least 1 hour (and that's at a 100 kW fast charger). In 1 hour a petrol pump can make about £60 profit (assuming a 5 minutes stay for each car at the pump and 5p/litre profit). So, to make an equivalent profit from a charger you'd have to charge £60 PLUS whatever the electricity costs, (say 25p/kWh) - that's £85. Which is a lot more than the petrol would cost.
If cars just sit at a charger they're costing the operator a huge amount of money. So charging for time at the charger is the logical next step - they can either do this or add huge premiums to the cost of electricity. Basically running a charging station is not a profitable enterprise.
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Post by patman post on Oct 16, 2023 12:25:56 GMT
The GBNews scare story actually says “ Motorists could be charged £1 per minute when charging their electric car”. It doesn’t say “will be”. Osprey already do it.
We believe charging your electric car should be simple. We charge you for the amount of electricity you take, much like petrol or diesel. We have a flat tariff of 79p per kWh across the whole network, whether charging by bank card or Osprey app, with no connection fees or hidden charges.
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Post by patman post on Oct 16, 2023 12:40:21 GMT
It's actually very difficult for providers to make a profit out of EV chargers because the rate of energy delivery is a small fraction of the rate of delivery at a petrol pump. While a petrol pump can put enough petrol in a car to take it 400 miles in a couple of minutes, the same amount of energy from a charger would take at least 1 hour (and that's at a 100 kW fast charger). In 1 hour a petrol pump can make about £60 profit (assuming a 5 minutes stay for each car at the pump and 5p/litre profit). So, to make an equivalent profit from a charger you'd have to charge £60 PLUS whatever the electricity costs, (say 25p/kWh) - that's £85. Which is a lot more than the petrol would cost. If cars just sit at a charger they're costing the operator a huge amount of money. So charging for time at the charger is the logical next step - they can either do this or add huge premiums to the cost of electricity. Basically running a charging station is not a profitable enterprise. At the end of September 2023, there were 49,882 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 29,709 charging locations. This represents a 43% increase in the total number of charging devices since September 2022.
These figures show how many electric charging points in the UK there are that are part of the country’s public EV charging infrastructure. However, they do not include the many charge points installed at home or at workplace locations, which are estimated to be more than 680,000. Some of these EV charging points are available to the public in some form via community or visitor charging.
Seems strange that the current installation of charging points in businesses and in charging stations should be growing if they're all running as loss leaders...
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 16, 2023 12:42:16 GMT
The average price of electricity (to a home) is 27p. So Osprey's 79p is a mark up of 52p - at which price it's significantly more expensive to drive a BEV than a petrol car. It's very good of them to not charge you for parking but at that price they don't need to.
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Post by Orac on Oct 16, 2023 13:10:14 GMT
The 'parking' has to be charged for - it's part and parcel of the limited resource you are using to charge your car. With petrol refueling this charge is so insignificant it isn't even counted. However, with electric cars, it can't be ignored
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 16, 2023 13:21:16 GMT
At the end of September 2023, there were 49,882 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 29,709 charging locations. This represents a 43% increase in the total number of charging devices since September 2022.
These figures show how many electric charging points in the UK there are that are part of the country’s public EV charging infrastructure. However, they do not include the many charge points installed at home or at workplace locations, which are estimated to be more than 680,000. Some of these EV charging points are available to the public in some form via community or visitor charging.
Seems strange that the current installation of charging points in businesses and in charging stations should be growing if they're all running as loss leaders...
There's a lot of misleading information about this. You need to bear in mind: 1. What power the chargers are. The vast majority are low power chargers (22kW). All domestic chargers are maximum of 7kW. A 22kW charger is only any good for getting you a top up to get back home and a 7kW charger needs many hours to charge up an average car battery - a minimum of 12 hours. 2. At last count there were 220,000 petrol pumps in the UK. Considering that a petrol car takes a few minutes to fill up and an electric car takes several hours, I'd suggest that even if there are 49,882 (almost all low power) chargers in the UK that's a small fraction of what would be needed to replace petrol cars with EVs. 3. Many chargers are not operational. 4. Even with the tiny number of BEVs being used in the UK there are still queues at chargers that are working. 5. In order to make the chargers viable (financially) the cost of electricity is so high that it's far more expensive now to run a BEV than a petrol car. 6. The (very few) charging stations that offer high power chargers say that they've had to provide battery backup because the National Grid cannot provide the power required. There's so much misinformation about this subject that I'm pretty sure its deliberate. The fact is that they're only any good for short journeys. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 13:42:31 GMT
The GBNews scare story actually says “ Motorists could be charged £1 per minute when charging their electric car”. It doesn’t say “will be”. Maybe in busy Mayfair where there’s a 24hr turnover, but where else? Plenty of charging points round London charge only for the charge. Do you think the organisations who run the street chargers expect residents to get up at 2am to unplug their cars because they’re fully charged…? I suppose this is another scare story... Electric vehicle owners are being stung with another unexpected fee – fines for spending too long at charging points.
Quoted from the link below: The Miles Consultancy told The Sunday Times of a driver on the M4 who was expecting to pay £26 only to find he’d been charged £123 for leaving his car plugged in overnight. Another issue is the risk of fines for overstaying in car parks and service stations fitted with ANPR cameras.
Another driver was charged £120 for spending 100 minutes in a McDonald’s car park charging his car when the maximum stay was 90 minutes, Local World reported last year. The fees come as the cost of running an electric vehicle continue to rise.
EVs will have to pay car tax from 2025 despite motorists previously being incentivised with the promise of no road tax to pay.
The soaring cost of electricity means EVs are also much more expensive to power than they were five years ago. And beady-eyed car parking cameras mean there is a risk of a high fee when using some free chargers at hotels, shops and council car parks.
www.nimblefins.co.uk/Ev-charging-fineAs I asked in the OP, is it any wonder people are turning away from electric cars. |
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Post by patman post on Oct 16, 2023 13:56:43 GMT
The GBNews scare story actually says “ Motorists could be charged £1 per minute when charging their electric car”. It doesn’t say “will be”. Maybe in busy Mayfair where there’s a 24hr turnover, but where else? Plenty of charging points round London charge only for the charge. Do you think the organisations who run the street chargers expect residents to get up at 2am to unplug their cars because they’re fully charged…? I suppose this is another scare story... Electric vehicle owners are being stung with another unexpected fee – fines for spending too long at charging points.
Quoted from the link below: The Miles Consultancy told The Sunday Times of a driver on the M4 who was expecting to pay £26 only to find he’d been charged £123 for leaving his car plugged in overnight. Another issue is the risk of fines for overstaying in car parks and service stations fitted with ANPR cameras.
Another driver was charged £120 for spending 100 minutes in a McDonald’s car park charging his car when the maximum stay was 90 minutes, Local World reported last year. The fees come as the cost of running an electric vehicle continue to rise.
EVs will have to pay car tax from 2025 despite motorists previously being incentivised with the promise of no road tax to pay.
The soaring cost of electricity means EVs are also much more expensive to power than they were five years ago. And beady-eyed car parking cameras mean there is a risk of a high fee when using some free chargers at hotels, shops and council car parks.
www.nimblefins.co.uk/Ev-charging-fineAs I asked in the OP, is it any wonder people are turning away from electric cars. I'm surprised you didn't toss into the story how many of them caught fire at the same time.
Overstaying at a car park, or in a parking space, can also cost.
Overall registrations of electric cars rose almost 19% in September 2023, as commercial users see their advantages. So encouraging those drivers hogging charging points to leave seems a sensible idea...
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2023 17:22:32 GMT
How much does it cost to charge at an Osprey charging station?
We believe charging your electric car should be simple. We charge you for the amount of electricity you take, much like petrol or diesel. We have a flat tariff of 79p per kWh across the whole network, whether charging by bank card or Osprey app, with no connection fees or hidden charges.
read the small print Pat..  www.ospreycharging.co.uk/terms-conditions |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 16, 2023 19:34:33 GMT
Drivers face overstay or idle fees if they remain at the charger too long. For every extra minute a vehicle remains at the charger, drivers will be hit with an idle fee, although it will be waived if they leave within five minutes. Overstay fees will only begin charging if the Supercharger station is at 50 per cent capacity or more. However, overstay fees will double when the station is at 100 per cent capacity, with Tesla stating that it will " increase customer happiness". In the UK, drivers will be hit with a 50p charge per minute, with it rising to £1 a minute when the station is full. There is no limit to this fee and drivers will be charged for every minute they stay there until they pick their car up again. Other companies will also charge drivers if they are already fully charged. Osprey Charging, one of the UK’s most popular rapid and ultra-rapid charging providers, charges £5 for every 15 minute period for leaving a vehicle parking inside or 'near' a charging bay. www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-drivers-warning-public-charging-finesSo you plug in your EV for a two hour charge and go shopping. Because you were delayed slightly you return 2½ hours later, and receive a £30 overstay charge. Is there any wonder people are turning away from electric cars. This is a really good idea. Most chargers have apps that tell you when your vehicle is charged. Leaving it there while you do a bit of shopping means someone else can't use it. Have you ever sat behind a car at a petrol pump while the owner does a bit of shopping and get a coffee? Selfish bastards. |
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