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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 19:45:53 GMT
This is a really good idea. Most chargers have apps that tell you when your vehicle is charged. Leaving it there while you do a bit of shopping means someone else can't use it. Have you ever sat behind a car at a petrol pump while the owner does a bit of shopping and get a coffee? Selfish bastards. LOL superb, however there is a slight flaw in your post ZG. When I fill my gas guzzling V8 up with delicious diesel it takes a few minutes, not a few hours. Refueling an EV is like going back 100 years to a time when people had to stop to water and feed the horse, lol.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 16, 2023 20:14:18 GMT
This is a really good idea. Most chargers have apps that tell you when your vehicle is charged. Leaving it there while you do a bit of shopping means someone else can't use it. Have you ever sat behind a car at a petrol pump while the owner does a bit of shopping and get a coffee? Selfish bastards. LOL superb, however there is a slight flaw in your post ZG. When I fill my gas guzzling V8 up with delicious diesel it takes a few minutes, not a few hours. Refueling an EV is like going back 100 years to a time when people had to stop to water and feed the horse, lol. Whatever. I'll watch you fade gently into the past old boy.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 20:22:11 GMT
LOL superb, however there is a slight flaw in your post ZG. When I fill my gas guzzling V8 up with delicious diesel it takes a few minutes, not a few hours. Refueling an EV is like going back 100 years to a time when people had to stop to water and feed the horse, lol. Whatever. I'll watch you fade gently into the past old boy. As the saying goes - Old soldiers don't die, they just fade away.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 16, 2023 20:35:52 GMT
Whatever. I'll watch you fade gently into the past old boy. As the saying goes - Old soldiers don't die, they just fade away. Bless you. Always got time for an old soldier. One of these days I'll buy you a pint.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2023 22:05:43 GMT
Drivers face overstay or idle fees if they remain at the charger too long. For every extra minute a vehicle remains at the charger, drivers will be hit with an idle fee, although it will be waived if they leave within five minutes. Overstay fees will only begin charging if the Supercharger station is at 50 per cent capacity or more. However, overstay fees will double when the station is at 100 per cent capacity, with Tesla stating that it will " increase customer happiness". In the UK, drivers will be hit with a 50p charge per minute, with it rising to £1 a minute when the station is full. There is no limit to this fee and drivers will be charged for every minute they stay there until they pick their car up again. Other companies will also charge drivers if they are already fully charged. Osprey Charging, one of the UK’s most popular rapid and ultra-rapid charging providers, charges £5 for every 15 minute period for leaving a vehicle parking inside or 'near' a charging bay. www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-drivers-warning-public-charging-finesSo you plug in your EV for a two hour charge and go shopping. Because you were delayed slightly you return 2½ hours later, and receive a £30 overstay charge. Is there any wonder people are turning away from electric cars. This is a really good idea. Most chargers have apps that tell you when your vehicle is charged. Leaving it there while you do a bit of shopping means someone else can't use it. Have you ever sat behind a car at a petrol pump while the owner does a bit of shopping and get a coffee? Selfish bastards. Its not exactly progress though is it?. Progress used to mean things getting better - more convenient, less hassle, cheaper, etc etc. All we seem to get now is a return to the way it was decades ago..
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Post by Orac on Oct 16, 2023 22:28:06 GMT
This is a really good idea. Most chargers have apps that tell you when your vehicle is charged. Leaving it there while you do a bit of shopping means someone else can't use it. Have you ever sat behind a car at a petrol pump while the owner does a bit of shopping and get a coffee? Selfish bastards. Its not exactly progress though is it?. Progress used to mean things getting better - more convenient, less hassle, cheaper, etc etc. All we seem to get now is a return to the way it was decades ago.. New things usually have to be better than what they replace, otherwise people don't bother. Not this time though. Instead of looking into ways to exploit the moon's resources and exploring the solar system, we will be faffing about with windmills or spending all day charging our car (if we are lucky enough to be allowed one).
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Post by zanygame on Oct 17, 2023 6:45:11 GMT
This is a really good idea. Most chargers have apps that tell you when your vehicle is charged. Leaving it there while you do a bit of shopping means someone else can't use it. Have you ever sat behind a car at a petrol pump while the owner does a bit of shopping and get a coffee? Selfish bastards. Its not exactly progress though is it?. Progress used to mean things getting better - more convenient, less hassle, cheaper, etc etc. All we seem to get now is a return to the way it was decades ago.. Things are getting better, the air is getting cleaner. Many can charge their car at home and never need to go to a charging station at all. As far as what's better, it would be more convenient for you to throw your rubbish out your car window, but I don't think many would call that progress. More convenient would be restaurants not cleaning their ovens after each sitting, progress? More convenient to drive through town at 50mph, progress? You choose your words very poorly in your glib answers. What makes me laugh is that in any other arena this would be considered absolutely right, but just because its electric cars it triggers the haters. Imagine if some one suggested you should be allowed to leave your diesel car on the road outside the shops while you do an hours shopping to the inconvenience of other motorists trying to get round you. In that case the word progress would be replaced with selfish.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2023 7:09:46 GMT
Its not exactly progress though is it?. Progress used to mean things getting better - more convenient, less hassle, cheaper, etc etc. All we seem to get now is a return to the way it was decades ago.. Things are getting better, the air is getting cleaner. Many can charge their car at home and never need to go to a charging station at all. As far as what's better, it would be more convenient for you to throw your rubbish out your car window, but I don't think many would call that progress. More convenient would be restaurants not cleaning their ovens after each sitting, progress? More convenient to drive through town at 50mph, progress? You choose your words very poorly in your glib answers. What makes me laugh is that in any other arena this would be considered absolutely right, but just because its electric cars it triggers the haters. Imagine if some one suggested you should be allowed to leave your diesel car on the road outside the shops while you do an hours shopping to the inconvenience of other motorists trying to get round you. In that case the word progress would be replaced with selfish. I believe (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) but this is the first time in history where we have had major technological change in an arena where the 'new' technology is worse than the old. Your vision of progress is blurred by your religious obsession with Net Zero. We now have cars that are more expensive, more inconvenient to use and with less capabilities than we had before - same with this daft heat pump program from the government. Progress used to mean things got better - not anymore it seems.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 17, 2023 7:45:11 GMT
Its not exactly progress though is it?. Progress used to mean things getting better - more convenient, less hassle, cheaper, etc etc. All we seem to get now is a return to the way it was decades ago.. Things are getting better, the air is getting cleaner. Many can charge their car at home and never need to go to a charging station at all. Blah, blah ... The air is getting cleaner because of that wonderful invention the catalytic convertor. Petrol cars now emit no pollution whatsoever. And if you take the life cycle of a petrol car the amount of CO2 emitted is less than that of a BEV in most cases. This is partly because the manufacture of the batteries is so energy intensive and partly because electricity generation is by no means CO2 free - people always forget this because BEVs don't have an exhaust pipe. Someone above mentioned the fire problem of BEVs. Now that they're getting (slightly) more numerous the number of fire incidents is growing - some from e-bikes and e-scooters but many also from BEVs. And the consistent problem is that a burning li-ion battery is almost impossible to put out. It will burn until it's completely destroyed. We've had the almost complete destruction of the Fremantle Highway (vehicle carrier) which caught on fire with, I believe, the loss of most vehicles on board (about 4,000, 500 being electric or hybrid). Some of the cars were completely melted and molded into the deck of the ship - and the ship burned for many days and is possibly a write-off. Some of the crew had to jump overboard to escape the fire. And we've also had the Luton airport fire where 1500 vehicles (some electric) have been written off. In addition the multi-storey car park has been left structurally damaged because the intensity of the fire melted the steel framework, causing some of the floors to collapse. These are NOT normal events zany. Cars do catch alight sometimes but even in car parks the fire is usually localised. The problem with these li-ion fires is that they burn at 5000C which melts steel (and most other things). I read in the Telegraph recently that car repair firms are advised to separate BEVs in their car park by a minimum of 5 metres from other cars. You say you can charge your BEV at home but you would have to be mad to charge a BEV anywhere near your house. I've got an e-bike and I always leave it in a shed some way away from the house - and I charge it using a VERY long extension cable.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 17, 2023 9:52:51 GMT
The GBNews scare story actually says “ Motorists could be charged £1 per minute when charging their electric car”. It doesn’t say “will be”. Maybe in busy Mayfair where there’s a 24hr turnover, but where else? Plenty of charging points round London charge only for the charge. Do you think the organisations who run the street chargers expect residents to get up at 2am to unplug their cars because they’re fully charged…? As a former EV user i can confirm that the app i used to pay for charging at Lidl stores displayed the full terms and conditions at a range of different public charge point providers and one of the oldest, and one of the newest players in the market both charged ‘overstay fees’ in wales. I deleted the app when i sold the Leaf but i recall the earlier provider slapped you a £10 fine for leaving the car plugged in for more than two hours in Monmouth while the latest player, the company behind the chargers in McDonalds and Costa slapped you a fine for leaving it plugged in after it hit 100% The Leaf’s own vehicle monitoring system would show your smartphone the charge level and i think it pinged it when done too. So it wouldn’t have caught me out.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 17, 2023 17:33:32 GMT
Things are getting better, the air is getting cleaner. Many can charge their car at home and never need to go to a charging station at all. As far as what's better, it would be more convenient for you to throw your rubbish out your car window, but I don't think many would call that progress. More convenient would be restaurants not cleaning their ovens after each sitting, progress? More convenient to drive through town at 50mph, progress? You choose your words very poorly in your glib answers. What makes me laugh is that in any other arena this would be considered absolutely right, but just because its electric cars it triggers the haters. Imagine if some one suggested you should be allowed to leave your diesel car on the road outside the shops while you do an hours shopping to the inconvenience of other motorists trying to get round you. In that case the word progress would be replaced with selfish. Yes , you are wrong, electric cars are better than ICE ones. Just as Nuclear is better than coal. I guess it depends on your idea of better. You talk of something you know nothing about. Electric cars are much cheaper to run and accelerate faster, they're easier to drive and quieter. The daft heat pumps work incredibly well and convert 1500watts of input into 3,500watts of output. How does your old boiler (not the wife) compare to that.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2023 21:35:06 GMT
Yes , you are wrong, electric cars are better than ICE ones. Just as Nuclear is better than coal. I guess it depends on your idea of better. Better in what way? - they are more expensive, less convenient, can tow and carry less, can be just as expensive to run as ICE cars and will not last as long. So please enlighten us. [/quote] Oh do come on - even the Heat Pump industry have admitted that they do not work very well in a lot of UK housing stock. A heat pump has only one purpose - to heat your house and hot water. It never heats your hot water to a high enough level and in many cases also fails to heat your house.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 18, 2023 6:57:07 GMT
Yes , you are wrong, electric cars are better than ICE ones. Just as Nuclear is better than coal. I guess it depends on your idea of better. I just told you in what ways. For most people £2.50 a gallon equivalent is much better than being able to tow a horse box. Well I have them and my house is lovely and warm. I agree on heating water, but you just need to think differently if you find that possible. I have an electric boiler for that. The two still cost the same as my old boiler did. I notice you never mention stopping Co2 emissions, I guess you're to old to care about the future.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 18, 2023 7:08:53 GMT
So the only thing you can come up with is CO2 - what impact on total CO2 (including manufacturing) does the shorter life of EV's have?
Has it even been researched?
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Post by zanygame on Oct 18, 2023 7:20:44 GMT
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