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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2023 21:36:36 GMT
Where I live they have doubled the number of huge wind turbines on the horizon . Also a chain of pylons will take the power from offshore wind turbines to Essex .
Everywhere I look there are solar panels on roofs . I see more and more EVs including MG shit boxes driven by pensioners. Cadent has dug up the roads to facilitate future hydrogen gas supplies too. New houses are fitted with heat pumps but that’s still not enough to stop the constant white noise of the eco worriers apparently.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 10, 2023 21:40:18 GMT
Dishonest again I didn’t say that,you then go on to say in another post you meant the west not us and then in another say this So is us us or the west minus France. Like I said you intimated we were major contributors,we weren’t so you then change tack say it was the west you meant poor debate and more flip flops than Starmer. I'm really not interested in these stupid word games, pretending you misunderstood me, pretending not to accept my explanations, pretending me talking about the UK burning coal is still about the industrial revolution. This site is full of that crap. If you don't want to discuss the subject then I'm not interested in replying Oh dear me,I pretend nothing you made the statement and can’t cope with being caught out and I am discussing the subject at hand. Laughably you came to the mind zone because you said you were tired of the insults and language,you firstly start by saying I was making up shit and now accuse of stupid word games as I said earlier you should have posted this on the ordinary forum as you ignore the rules you came here for. I’m not bothered by name calling or language but had the impression you wanted to debate as per the rules here,I was wrong. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 21:45:28 GMT
So what is the cost of climate change? - we already know the (extreme) cost of Net Zero so tell us and we can do a cost/benefit analysis.. You know the cost of net zero. Do share. £50 Billion a year according to the Climate Change Committee's Sixth Carbon Budget - that is the only way to hit Net Zero by 2050. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 21:47:53 GMT
You know the cost of net zero. Do share. £50 Billion a year according to the Climate Change Committee's Sixth Carbon Budget - that is the only way to hit Net Zero by 2050. Thanks Pacifico, you got a link to that please. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 21:50:03 GMT
how are you placing the UK at the top of the pile in the G7? Because we were one of the few who started out still burning coal for our power. We have done very well though. All G7 countries still have coal fired power production. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 21:51:13 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 21:55:27 GMT
Because we were one of the few who started out still burning coal for our power. We have done very well though. All G7 countries still have coal fired power production. Its the amount. Some more gas, some more nuclear. etc. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 21:56:51 GMT
Thank you. I'll have a read tomorrow night after work. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 22:23:00 GMT
Great, real numbers we can discuss. In 2050 the UK GDP will be about £4 trillion - so 3% of £4 Trillion is about £130 Billion, that is what the UK will lose to climate change. The cost of Net zero is going to be £50 Billion a year - so between now and 2050 we will have spent just over £1 Trillion to save £130 Billion... I'm not sure that driving ourselves into poverty is the deal that it is cooked up to be somehow...  What? That's the cost each year surely. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 22:33:42 GMT
From the Grantham Institute report.
Combined, the net-zero transition (estimated to cost a maximum of 2% of UK GDP) is expected to have a net benefit of around 4% of GDP.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 10, 2023 23:35:49 GMT
From the Grantham Institute report. Combined, the net-zero transition (estimated to cost a maximum of 2% of UK GDP) is expected to have a net benefit of around 4% of GDP. Grantham institute? Sounds like a social club from a bygone era that Maggies dad might have had a few pints in. Anyway if HS2 is anything to go by those figures are wildly inaccurate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 11, 2023 6:37:56 GMT
From the Grantham Institute report. Combined, the net-zero transition (estimated to cost a maximum of 2% of UK GDP) is expected to have a net benefit of around 4% of GDP.But these are the same people who keep insisting that wind power is cheaper than gas yet, in the real world, no company will sell you energy from wind at a cheaper rate than gas. Sounds like there is a lot of wishful thinking going on there. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 11, 2023 6:39:02 GMT
In the latest example of UK Energy Policy being driven by wishful thinking..
'Mr Wilson said the amount of generating capacity connected to the grid would need to treble by 2030, including building five times more overhead lines as have been built in the last 30 years."
In 2 months time 2030 will be 6 years away - the idea that we will be in any way capable of coping with the amount of Heat Pumps and EV's that this Government (and the next) is foisting on us is almost clinically deranged.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 11, 2023 7:01:41 GMT
From the Grantham Institute report. Combined, the net-zero transition (estimated to cost a maximum of 2% of UK GDP) is expected to have a net benefit of around 4% of GDP.But these are the same people who keep insisting that wind power is cheaper than gas yet, in the real world, no company will sell you energy from wind at a cheaper rate than gas. Sounds like there is a lot of wishful thinking going on there. Why would they when they can get more. That's business and doesn't change the cost of manufacture. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 11, 2023 7:03:12 GMT
In the latest example of UK Energy Policy being driven by wishful thinking.. 'Mr Wilson said the amount of generating capacity connected to the grid would need to treble by 2030, including building five times more overhead lines as have been built in the last 30 years."
In 2 months time 2030 will be 6 years away - the idea that we will be in any way capable of coping with the amount of Heat Pumps and EV's that this Government (and the next) is foisting on us is almost clinically deranged. Bloody useless government. |
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