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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2023 21:03:02 GMT
“No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero” Nope they want to talk how the latter is related to the former. OK. Tell us what you think the costs of climate change are then. Well it means more sun cream for me ,for a start. Of course , we could completely abandon fossil fuels and die a horrible death now or we could ignore global warming and die a horrible death ( allegedly) at a later date . The sensible thing would be to take a pragmatic position and act accordingly. Which is pretty much what we are doing . |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 21:04:54 GMT
I'm really not interested in these stupid word games, pretending you misunderstood me, pretending not to accept my explanations, pretending me talking about the UK burning coal is still about the industrial revolution. This site is full of that crap. If you don't want to discuss the subject then I'm not interested in replying No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. So what is the cost of climate change? - we already know the (extreme) cost of Net Zero so tell us and we can do a cost/benefit analysis.. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 21:07:08 GMT
OK. Tell us what you think the costs of climate change are then. Well it means more sun cream for me ,for a start. Of course , we could completely abandon fossil fuels and die a horrible death now or we could ignore global warming and die a horrible death ( allegedly) at a later date . The sensible thing would be to take a pragmatic position and act accordingly. Which is pretty much what we are doing . Apart from skin cancer what are the costs of climate change? You failed to list any other than sun cream. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2023 21:10:10 GMT
Well it means more sun cream for me ,for a start. Of course , we could completely abandon fossil fuels and die a horrible death now or we could ignore global warming and die a horrible death ( allegedly) at a later date . The sensible thing would be to take a pragmatic position and act accordingly. Which is pretty much what we are doing . Apart from skin cancer what are the costs of climate change? You failed to list any other than sun cream. We don’t know yet . You failed to read anything after the first sentence . |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 21:11:21 GMT
No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. So what is the cost of climate change? - we already know the (extreme) cost of Net Zero so tell us and we can do a cost/benefit analysis.. A 2022 report by the Grantham Institute attempted to estimate the total potential economic impact of climate change for the UK. The institute found that “under current policies, the total cost of climate change damages to the UK are projected to increase from 1.1% of GDP at present to 3.3% by 2050 and 7.4% by 2100”. lordslibrary.parliament.uk/preparing-for-climate-change/#:~:text=A%202022%20report%20by%20the,and%207.4%25%20by%202100%E2%80%9D. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 21:13:04 GMT
Apart from skin cancer what are the costs of climate change? You failed to list any other than sun cream. We don’t know yet . You failed to read anything after the first sentence . Yes. It was off topic. The thread is about the cost of climate change. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2023 21:15:48 GMT
We don’t know yet . You failed to read anything after the first sentence . Yes. It was off topic. The thread is about the cost of climate change. Oh so now we know that in your opinion people dying cannot be considered part of the cost of climate change but the cost of Sun cream can , right? |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 10, 2023 21:19:23 GMT
Much of science has been decided over many years and found to be wanting. In the current 'decision' period we have had numerous erroneous predictions and a hockey stick. If we allowed 'the decision' to stand uncontested we would be watching the hockey stick day in and day out and wonder why we see snow on the ground in winter when science 'decided' some decades ago that we would not see such things. Perhaps we should just accept 'decisions' irrespective of all evidence to the contrary. That will work well. As I said, been there done that. This thread is about what comes next and is addressed to those who do accept its happening. It may well and the response is indicative of the alarmist approach. We say what is happening, we ask you to support us in our beliefs but if you do not then we will ignore you. It does not work like that as lie after lie and exaggeration after exaggeration are highlighted you have to address that little elephant which is the sum total of all the failed predictions, the lies and bombast that surrounds the decisions you have made for us. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2023 21:19:26 GMT
So what is the cost of climate change? - we already know the (extreme) cost of Net Zero so tell us and we can do a cost/benefit analysis.. A 2022 report by the Grantham Institute attempted to estimate the total potential economic impact of climate change for the UK. The institute found that “under current policies, the total cost of climate change damages to the UK are projected to increase from 1.1% of GDP at present to 3.3% by 2050 and 7.4% by 2100”. lordslibrary.parliament.uk/preparing-for-climate-change/#:~:text=A%202022%20report%20by%20the,and%207.4%25%20by%202100%E2%80%9D. So the Grantham institute of guesswork makes a guess without knowing how severe the climate change will be . |
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Post by patman post on Oct 10, 2023 21:25:56 GMT
Personally, I’m in favour of even individual countries deciding to clean up their environments and reducing pollution.
China and India may not be joining in, but while we’re doing our bit, we enjoy cleaner air in more local countryside and parkland without plastic bags fluttering in the trees and hedgerows and trees and, hopefully, have fewer smogs in cold, still, winter air.
Shame, that while the energy utilities are playing their part, the water companies are more interested in profits than pollution and are now wanting customers to pay them extra to clean up their failings…
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 21:30:23 GMT
So what is the cost of climate change? - we already know the (extreme) cost of Net Zero so tell us and we can do a cost/benefit analysis.. A 2022 report by the Grantham Institute attempte130 Billion.d to estimate the total potential economic impact of climate change for the UK. The institute found that “under current policies, the total cost of climate change damages to the UK are projected to increase from 1.1% of GDP at present to 3.3% by 2050 and 7.4% by 2100”. lordslibrary.parliament.uk/preparing-for-climate-change/#:~:text=A%202022%20report%20by%20the,and%207.4%25%20by%202100%E2%80%9D. Great, real numbers we can discuss. In 2050 the UK GDP will be about £4 trillion - so 3% of £4 Trillion is about £130 Billion, that is what the UK will lose to climate change. The cost of Net zero is going to be £50 Billion a year - so between now and 2050 we will have spent just over £1 Trillion to save £130 Billion... I'm not sure that driving ourselves into poverty is the deal that it is cooked up to be somehow...  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 21:30:45 GMT
We have just exported our CO2 output along with our manufacturing to China.  that is no different from any other G7 country - we have been doing plenty, we cannot do it all. But you need to consider the starting point of each player. The ones at the top of the shit pile are able to come down further than the ones at the bottom. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 21:32:02 GMT
that is no different from any other G7 country - we have been doing plenty, we cannot do it all. But you need to consider the starting point of each player. The ones at the top of the shit pile are able to come down further than the ones at the bottom. how are you placing the UK at the top of the pile in the G7? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 21:35:20 GMT
No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. So what is the cost of climate change? - we already know the (extreme) cost of Net Zero so tell us and we can do a cost/benefit analysis.. You know the cost of net zero. Do share. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 21:36:23 GMT
But you need to consider the starting point of each player. The ones at the top of the shit pile are able to come down further than the ones at the bottom. how are you placing the UK at the top of the pile in the G7? Because we were one of the few who started out still burning coal for our power. We have done very well though. |
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