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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 18:04:13 GMT
Not a very scientific attitude. The science has been done and discussed, linked, back up. I'm done with rinse repeat on this one. My sources are the CMA, IPCC and NASA. Yours are Whatsupwiththat bloggers. And you say I'm the blind disciple Lol. The idea that the discussion is over because science has reached a final decision, is unscientific. The trouble is you don't have much of a clue what science is, but you do watch television. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 18:29:43 GMT
. God, this nonsense. When I say us, I mean the West. We populated North America with millions of people and coal powered devices. Farming animals was never counted because in all the years of farming the climate remained in balance. Not only that, but Carbon Brief is repeatedly lambasted for using net figures rather than per person. Yet it is obvious to any moderately intelligent being that cutting emissions is easier if you the individual emit huge amounts. Oh I see so now you move the goalposts because thats not what you initially said is it? and then you produce evidence which we all have to take as gospel and anything to the contrary is nonsense.
Totally dishonest Zany you moved the goalposts and know it.
Are you seriously saying you thought I meant the tiny UK had generated all the Co2 from the industrial revolution on its own? Jeez. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 18:31:50 GMT
The science has been done and discussed, linked, back up. I'm done with rinse repeat on this one. My sources are the CMA, IPCC and NASA. Yours are Whatsupwiththat bloggers. And you say I'm the blind disciple Lol. The idea that the discussion is over because science has reached a final decision, is unscientific. The trouble is you don't have much of a clue what science is, but you do watch television. Whatever you like. You can pretend its undecided if you need that to hide behind. In the meantime we'll get on with it and you can moan and pretend. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 18:36:13 GMT
The idea that the discussion is over because science has reached a final decision, is unscientific. The trouble is you don't have much of a clue what science is, but you do watch television. Whatever you like. You can pretend its undecided if you need that to hide behind. In the meantime we'll get on with it and you can moan and pretend. Of course it is undecided. You don't get to dictate final truth to reality. This isn't a managerial decision. Beyond that, it is in area of science that is tentative, still developing and in its infancy. . |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 10, 2023 18:40:21 GMT
The idea that the discussion is over because science has reached a final decision, is unscientific. The trouble is you don't have much of a clue what science is, but you do watch television. Whatever you like. You can pretend its undecided if you need that to hide behind. In the meantime we'll get on with it and you can moan and pretend. Much of science has been decided over many years and found to be wanting. In the current 'decision' period we have had numerous erroneous predictions and a hockey stick. If we allowed 'the decision' to stand uncontested we would be watching the hockey stick day in and day out and wonder why we see snow on the ground in winter when science 'decided' some decades ago that we would not see such things. Perhaps we should just accept 'decisions' irrespective of all evidence to the contrary. That will work well. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 18:51:19 GMT
Try Red Rackham for starters.  A mixed answer to this. I've partly already answered this, but I'll indulge you. I think immigration is the result of our own greed. We want pensions that last 20 years beyond what they were designed to do, we want new cures and treatments for a host of ills, but we don't want to pay for it. No increased taxes just more goodies. So we had government after government who paid for it with growth. And that growth came from increasing the population. I hate it, I've been making this argument for years but no one listens, they much prefer the idea that its some sort of conspiracy.. TBH I didn't really begin to figure it until multiculturalism reared its ugly head. Well of course through much of this period we discuss global warming was not a consideration. But now? Well my answer above. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 18:55:15 GMT
Whatever you like. You can pretend its undecided if you need that to hide behind. In the meantime we'll get on with it and you can moan and pretend. Much of science has been decided over many years and found to be wanting. In the current 'decision' period we have had numerous erroneous predictions and a hockey stick. If we allowed 'the decision' to stand uncontested we would be watching the hockey stick day in and day out and wonder why we see snow on the ground in winter when science 'decided' some decades ago that we would not see such things. Perhaps we should just accept 'decisions' irrespective of all evidence to the contrary. That will work well. As I said, been there done that. This thread is about what comes next and is addressed to those who do accept its happening. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 10, 2023 18:58:47 GMT
Oh I see so now you move the goalposts because thats not what you initially said is it? and then you produce evidence which we all have to take as gospel and anything to the contrary is nonsense.
Totally dishonest Zany you moved the goalposts and know it.
Are you seriously saying you thought I meant the tiny UK had generated all the Co2 from the industrial revolution on its own? Jeez. Dishonest again I didn’t say that,you then go on to say in another post you meant the west not us and then in another say this So is us us or the west minus France. Like I said you intimated we were major contributors,we weren’t so you then change tack say it was the west you meant poor debate and more flip flops than Starmer. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 20:03:48 GMT
Are you seriously saying you thought I meant the tiny UK had generated all the Co2 from the industrial revolution on its own? Jeez. Dishonest again I didn’t say that,you then go on to say in another post you meant the west not us and then in another say this So is us us or the west minus France. Like I said you intimated we were major contributors,we weren’t so you then change tack say it was the west you meant poor debate and more flip flops than Starmer. I'm really not interested in these stupid word games, pretending you misunderstood me, pretending not to accept my explanations, pretending me talking about the UK burning coal is still about the industrial revolution. This site is full of that crap. If you don't want to discuss the subject then I'm not interested in replying |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 20:26:00 GMT
Dishonest again I didn’t say that,you then go on to say in another post you meant the west not us and then in another say this So is us us or the west minus France. Like I said you intimated we were major contributors,we weren’t so you then change tack say it was the west you meant poor debate and more flip flops than Starmer. I'm really not interested in these stupid word games, pretending you misunderstood me, pretending not to accept my explanations, pretending me talking about the UK burning coal is still about the industrial revolution. This site is full of that crap. If you don't want to discuss the subject then I'm not interested in replying No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2023 20:31:43 GMT
I'm really not interested in these stupid word games, pretending you misunderstood me, pretending not to accept my explanations, pretending me talking about the UK burning coal is still about the industrial revolution. This site is full of that crap. If you don't want to discuss the subject then I'm not interested in replying No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. “No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero” Nope they want to talk how the latter is related to the former. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 20:33:11 GMT
No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. “No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero” Nope they want to talk how the latter is related to the former. OK. Tell us what you think the costs of climate change are then. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 20:35:00 GMT
I'm really not interested in these stupid word games, pretending you misunderstood me, pretending not to accept my explanations, pretending me talking about the UK burning coal is still about the industrial revolution. This site is full of that crap. If you don't want to discuss the subject then I'm not interested in replying No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. One barrier to conversation is that anyone talking about the 'cost of climate change' is very likely to be talking out of his hat. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2023 20:36:40 GMT
No one wants to talk about the cost of climate change. They only want to talk about the cost of net zero or simply deny that man made climate change is a thing. One barrier to conversation is that anyone talking about the 'cost of climate change' is very likely to be talking out of his hat. Is that your idea of a valid response in the Mindzone Orac? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 20:58:41 GMT
We have actually been doing quite a lot - hardly kicking the can down the road..  We have just exported our CO2 output along with our manufacturing to China.  that is no different from any other G7 country - we have been doing plenty, we cannot do it all. |
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