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Post by zanygame on Oct 9, 2023 21:29:21 GMT
No, there was a point it flew way over your head. And now you're going to waffle on in the hope that you can distract from the fact. I repeat , you never had a point and the waffling is yours “.Once you start on about our CO2 emissions in the past ,we get into collective guilt and atonement territory. If the Asian is growing like ours did in the 1800s then according to your logic they must immediately assume the collective guilt that you are aiming at us” The UK not duty bound to bankrupt or otherwise impoverish itself because of the fact that it pioneered modern technology in the past. You mean you automatically trigger. My point was that we did our growing back then so we can't blame them for doing their growing now. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 9, 2023 21:33:15 GMT
After Scotland suffers a months rain in a day. Landslides block roads. Thousands of crops destroyed rail lines washed away plus hundreds of houses ruined. This is not a bit of flooding on an estate built on a flood plain. This is the cost of doing nothing about Co2. This cost is being repeated across the globe. There's no such thing as a free ride. Scotland has suffered such rainfall before, many times, landslides have blocked roads before especially The Rest and be Thankful and Glen Ogle, rail lines have been washed away before, crops have been lost before. It is all within the risk parameters of living there. What you are doing is taking an extreme, but not unprecedented, weather event and saying it is directly attributable to the rise in CO2 for which there is no direct evidence and many other possible/probable/contributing factors may be at work. Some of the photographs I have seen are underbridges where drains are often blocked by autumn leaf fall and in Scotland the leaf fall is well underway. There is no such thing as a free ride but it is often necessary to know that the man asking for the fare is capable of both ensuring the ride requested and in fact has chosen the correct direction of travel. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 9, 2023 21:42:45 GMT
After Scotland suffers a months rain in a day. Landslides block roads. Thousands of crops destroyed rail lines washed away plus hundreds of houses ruined. This is not a bit of flooding on an estate built on a flood plain. This is the cost of doing nothing about Co2. This cost is being repeated across the globe. There's no such thing as a free ride. Scotland has suffered such rainfall before, many times, landslides have blocked roads before especially The Rest and be Thankful and Glen Ogle, rail lines have been washed away before, crops have been lost before. It is all within the risk parameters of living there. What you are doing is taking an extreme, but not unprecedented, weather event and saying it is directly attributable to the rise in CO2 for which there is no direct evidence and many other possible/probable/contributing factors may be at work. Some of the photographs I have seen are underbridges where drains are often blocked by autumn leaf fall and in Scotland the leaf fall is well underway. There is no such thing as a free ride but it is often necessary to know that the man asking for the fare is capable of both ensuring the ride requested and in fact has chosen the correct direction of travel. Everyone but you knows records are being broken left right and centre. Scotland has not had a months rain in one day in living history. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 21:48:29 GMT
I repeat , you never had a point and the waffling is yours “.Once you start on about our CO2 emissions in the past ,we get into collective guilt and atonement territory. If the Asian is growing like ours did in the 1800s then according to your logic they must immediately assume the collective guilt that you are aiming at us” The UK not duty bound to bankrupt or otherwise impoverish itself because of the fact that it pioneered modern technology in the past. You mean you automatically trigger. My point was that we did our growing back then so we can't blame them for doing their growing now. You are the one who is triggered . As I said , you didn’t have a point to miss. You are the one who claims we have a duty to impoverish ourselves because we did in the past what they are doing now . Its nonsense and I believe it’s because of a guilt that exists in your head ..as I said ..you are the one triggered ..by yourself . |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 21:57:41 GMT
Scotland has suffered such rainfall before, many times, landslides have blocked roads before especially The Rest and be Thankful and Glen Ogle, rail lines have been washed away before, crops have been lost before. It is all within the risk parameters of living there. What you are doing is taking an extreme, but not unprecedented, weather event and saying it is directly attributable to the rise in CO2 for which there is no direct evidence and many other possible/probable/contributing factors may be at work. Some of the photographs I have seen are underbridges where drains are often blocked by autumn leaf fall and in Scotland the leaf fall is well underway. There is no such thing as a free ride but it is often necessary to know that the man asking for the fare is capable of both ensuring the ride requested and in fact has chosen the correct direction of travel. Everyone but you knows records are being broken left right and centre. Scotland has not had a months rain in one day in living history. If we are already feeling the effects of global warming then we should be trying to primarily mitigate the effects while moving towards zero carbon .Instead of this self blame atonement rush into impoverishment that will do little to affect global temperatures in itself . |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 9, 2023 22:24:08 GMT
You mean the globalists think we should beg forgiveness, I think they are nothing but a bunch of arseholes, hiding behind governments who have become more authoritarian decade after decade. Using net zero as another weapon as part of an arsenal, they can deny it all they like, the evidence is overwhelming. I don't mean anything like that. I think its the future we are saving not the past we are regretting. Still you got to brush off your soap box again. Of course you didn't because it didn't compute. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 6:27:32 GMT
Back on subject.
After Scotland suffers a months rain in a day. Landslides block roads. Thousands of crops destroyed rail lines washed away plus hundreds of houses ruined.
This is not a bit of flooding on an estate built on a flood plain. This is the cost of doing nothing about Co2.
This cost is being repeated across the globe.
There's no such thing as a free ride.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 6:29:27 GMT
Everyone but you knows records are being broken left right and centre. Scotland has not had a months rain in one day in living history. If we are already feeling the effects of global warming then we should be trying to primarily mitigate the effects while moving towards zero carbon .Instead of this self blame atonement rush into impoverishment that will do little to affect global temperatures in itself .I think the idea is that if you make people poorer they will consume less and thus generate fewer emissions. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 6:39:52 GMT
I repeat , you never had a point and the waffling is yours “.Once you start on about our CO2 emissions in the past ,we get into collective guilt and atonement territory. If the Asian is growing like ours did in the 1800s then according to your logic they must immediately assume the collective guilt that you are aiming at us” The UK not duty bound to bankrupt or otherwise impoverish itself because of the fact that it pioneered modern technology in the past. You mean you automatically trigger. My point was that we did our growing back then so we can't blame them for doing their growing now. But, according to you the industrial revolution was a crime. You become so inconsistent here, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that your target is us rather than CO2 |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 10, 2023 6:49:30 GMT
You mean you automatically trigger. My point was that we did our growing back then so we can't blame them for doing their growing now. But, according to you the industrial revolution was a crime. You become so inconsistent here, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that your target is us rather than CO2 You sound like a non-believer, of course you are a target for the cult. A user of valuable resources. Which of course will eventually need to be rationed for those who cannot afford it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 6:52:23 GMT
You mean you automatically trigger. My point was that we did our growing back then so we can't blame them for doing their growing now. But, according to you the industrial revolution was a crime. You become so inconsistent here, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that your target is us rather than CO2 Perhaps this is down to being a follower of a cultish movement and not a thinker. They end up tying themselves in knots as part of this childish Jihad.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2023 6:53:05 GMT
Looks like poverty is the aim...
In other reports, U.K. FIRES promotes a world with no flying and shipping by 2050, drastic cuts in home heating and bans on beef and lamb consumption.
Net Zero mandates the dismantling of modern industrial society and the discarding of many of the essentials of modern comfortable living.
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 7:03:01 GMT
But, according to you the industrial revolution was a crime. You become so inconsistent here, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that your target is us rather than CO2 Perhaps this is down to being a follower of a cultish movement and not a thinker. They end up tying themselves in knots as part of this childish Jihad.
If we are emitting excessive CO2, we should try not to (this part is understandable, though arguable) If others are emitting excessive CO2, we should double down and give ourselves a further punishment beating (this is now climate Jihad territory) Every time the weather does something, it's an omen that we are not punishing ourselves hard enough and the gods are unhappy with us. We can't have a proper public conversation about this because 'the science is settled' This has all the hallmarks of religious sacrament created with the purpose of exterminating us. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 10, 2023 7:26:18 GMT
If we are already feeling the effects of global warming then we should be trying to primarily mitigate the effects while moving towards zero carbon .Instead of this self blame atonement rush into impoverishment that will do little to affect global temperatures in itself .I think the idea is that if you make people poorer they will consume less and thus generate fewer emissions. I think the idea is to make energy produce less Co2. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 10, 2023 7:31:27 GMT
I'm not sure how often Scotland gets a month's worth of rain in one day but I suspect it's happened before more times than you think, zany. But as usual you just leap to the conclusion that it's caused by CO2 without any justification. Even in a BBC report of this event they accepted that El Nino may be a factor - which is progress for the BBC.
El Nino is a major cause of heavy rain because it causes considerable warming of the surface of the oceans (up to 2.5C) - which makes it easier for clouds to take up water. And, I'll remind you, that El Nino (and La Nina) are not understood by scientists but, from current knowledge, it's not caused by CO2.
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