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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 6:33:02 GMT
But its not now is it. And wind power is coming down every year to. on what are you basing this claim - because it certainly is not reality. with regards to your other point - who sets energy policy based on the price of energy at a specific moment in time?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 28, 2023 7:21:47 GMT
Yes - and that has already been debunked - did you read the comments by the boss of RWE?
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2023 8:28:47 GMT
Yes - and that has already been debunked - did you read the comments by the boss of RWE? Which ones specifically. This one? Tom Glover, country chair of RWE’s UK arm, said the price offered by the Government to wind farm operators must rise by as much as 70pc to entice companies to build.
Developers must be offered between £65 and £75 per megawatt hour (MwH) for the power generated from wind farms, Mr Glover said.
That compares to the £44 offered in the most recent government-run auction.
The one that says while gas generation is being sold at over £100.00 per MWh wind farms should get more than £44.00 per MWh |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 28, 2023 11:40:05 GMT
Yes - and that has already been debunked - did you read the comments by the boss of RWE? Which ones specifically. This one? Tom Glover, country chair of RWE’s UK arm, said the price offered by the Government to wind farm operators must rise by as much as 70pc to entice companies to build.
Developers must be offered between £65 and £75 per megawatt hour (MwH) for the power generated from wind farms, Mr Glover said.
That compares to the £44 offered in the most recent government-run auction.
The one that says while gas generation is being sold at over £100.00 per MWh wind farms should get more than £44.00 per MWh Yes - the average price for gas over the last 10 years being £55. If you are going to base your argument for a long term energy strategy on a transient peak in prices due to the war in Ukraine then that is just barmy. But then we have come to expect that from the renewable lobby. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2023 11:55:22 GMT
Which ones specifically. This one? Tom Glover, country chair of RWE’s UK arm, said the price offered by the Government to wind farm operators must rise by as much as 70pc to entice companies to build.
Developers must be offered between £65 and £75 per megawatt hour (MwH) for the power generated from wind farms, Mr Glover said.
That compares to the £44 offered in the most recent government-run auction.
The one that says while gas generation is being sold at over £100.00 per MWh wind farms should get more than £44.00 per MWh Yes - the average price for gas over the last 10 years being £55. If you are going to base your argument for a long term energy strategy on a transient peak in prices due to the war in Ukraine then that is just barmy. But then we have come to expect that from the renewable lobby. No, I'm going to base my argument on what gas prices are likely to be over the next 10 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 13:26:01 GMT
Yes - the average price for gas over the last 10 years being £55. If you are going to base your argument for a long term energy strategy on a transient peak in prices due to the war in Ukraine then that is just barmy. But then we have come to expect that from the renewable lobby. No, I'm going to base my argument on what gas prices are likely to be over the next 10 years. This sounds like a pyramid scheme. 
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Post by borchester on Oct 28, 2023 13:46:48 GMT
But, according to you the industrial revolution was a crime. You become so inconsistent here, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that your target is us rather than CO2 No that's what Bentley thinks I think. My point was as I stated. We had an industrial revolution which lead us to be the wealthy country we are. Asia is now going through the same growth and we have to understand that they also want our standard of living. And that this is the reason their Co2 output is growing. The answer is not to deny them that right and pass the buck for what we created. The answer is to try and make their growth possible without ruining the planet. How you and Bentley convert that into me making the industrial revolution a crime is beyond reason. So its just another strawman attack. Invent "What I mean" and attack that because you have no attack on "What I said" So white CO2 is racist but brown CO2 is an understandable and forgivable reaction to colonialism ? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 28, 2023 16:33:45 GMT
Yes - the average price for gas over the last 10 years being £55. If you are going to base your argument for a long term energy strategy on a transient peak in prices due to the war in Ukraine then that is just barmy. But then we have come to expect that from the renewable lobby. No, I'm going to base my argument on what gas prices are likely to be over the next 10 years. Based on what?. What leads you to believe that gas prices are going to be over £100 for the next 10 years? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2023 17:40:50 GMT
No, I'm going to base my argument on what gas prices are likely to be over the next 10 years. Based on what?. What leads you to believe that gas prices are going to be over £100 for the next 10 years? I don't just more than £65.00, That's what the experts are saying. But if it returns to £55.00 then wind will have to compete. But I see no reason wind should accept £48 when gas is over £100. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 28, 2023 21:15:13 GMT
Based on what?. What leads you to believe that gas prices are going to be over £100 for the next 10 years? I don't just more than £65.00, That's what the experts are saying. But if it returns to £55.00 then wind will have to compete. But I see no reason wind should accept £48 when gas is over £100. what experts? - list them. All the indicators I have seen show that the world economy is heading towards recession - which then always leads to lower demand for basic resources. So who exactly are you listening to? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2023 21:43:52 GMT
I don't just more than £65.00, That's what the experts are saying. But if it returns to £55.00 then wind will have to compete. But I see no reason wind should accept £48 when gas is over £100. what experts? - list them. All the indicators I have seen show that the world economy is heading towards recession - which then always leads to lower demand for basic resources. So who exactly are you listening to? ,well%20above%20pre%2Dcrisis%20levels. The analysts expect that as more renewable energy connects to the grid, reducing reliance on gas-fired power plants, market prices will begin to fall. However, they will stay above £80/MWh – well above pre-crisis levels. Tom Edwards, a senior modeller at Cornwall Insight, said slowing the UK’s shift towards renewable energy could keep energy bills higher for longer. Cornwall’s latest report found the UK was likely to miss its target to increase offshore wind fivefold to 50GW by 2030 due to rising costs in the supply chain. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 7:35:08 GMT
Cornwall Insight are management consultants that sell ideas on how to transition to net zero - of course they are not going to say that costs will rise.
The global economy is growing very slowly – too slow to handle the rate at which government debt is rising. Global GDP is set to expand 3pc this year, falling to 2.9pc in 2024 according to the IMF. That’s way below 3.8pc average global growth from 2000 to 2019. Once recessions hit then demand collapses and oil prices fall.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2023 8:21:33 GMT
Cornwall Insight are management consultants that sell ideas on how to transition to net zero - of course they are not going to say that costs will rise. The global economy is growing very slowly – too slow to handle the rate at which government debt is rising. Global GDP is set to expand 3pc this year, falling to 2.9pc in 2024 according to the IMF. That’s way below 3.8pc average global growth from 2000 to 2019. Once recessions hit then demand collapses and oil prices fall. Normally so, but when oil is in very short supply due to another cause, then there is still demand and prices don't drop. That's why the usual interest hike solution didn't bring down inflation, because gas prices stayed high. ABC economics really, don't you think? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 8:28:39 GMT
Cornwall Insight are management consultants that sell ideas on how to transition to net zero - of course they are not going to say that costs will rise. The global economy is growing very slowly – too slow to handle the rate at which government debt is rising. Global GDP is set to expand 3pc this year, falling to 2.9pc in 2024 according to the IMF. That’s way below 3.8pc average global growth from 2000 to 2019. Once recessions hit then demand collapses and oil prices fall. Normally so, but when oil is in very short supply due to another cause, then there is still demand and prices don't drop. That's why the usual interest hike solution didn't bring down inflation, because gas prices stayed high. ABC economics really, don't you think? So you are saying that the energy prices that we have seen for the past 2 years are the new norm?  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2023 9:21:03 GMT
Normally so, but when oil is in very short supply due to another cause, then there is still demand and prices don't drop. That's why the usual interest hike solution didn't bring down inflation, because gas prices stayed high. ABC economics really, don't you think? So you are saying that the energy prices that we have seen for the past 2 years are the new norm? No, that we have found new sources of power reducing the need for gas and thus reducing demand and lowering prices, just not back to pre war levels. Even if the Ukraine war ends, its doubtful we will be buying Russian gas for quite a while. |
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