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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2023 6:48:24 GMT
Here we go again - so on top of being forced to install a heat pump that costs more to run, yet another levy will be added to Bills. ...and they think we believe them when they claim bills will cheaper... 
He believes Britain will still need gas to keep the lights on as far out as 2040.
“I actually think we’ll be moving more gas but we’ll be moving gas to power stations to make electricity rather than to homes.”
The National Infrastructure Commission (NIC), headed by Sir John Armitt, last week called for the UK’s domestic gas network to be decommissioned at a cost of £70bn to encourage people to switch to heat pumps and help the country meet its net zero targets.
The cost of decommissioning would most likely be added to consumer bills but the NIC argues the policy would help halve domestic energy costs by 2050.
You forgot to answer. A price for each? For the generation of electricity per MWh put together in the same post. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2023 6:58:09 GMT
I have already done that - I'm not going to waste my time repeating stuff simply because you choose to believe in fantasy economics.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2023 7:08:20 GMT
I have already done that - I'm not going to waste my time repeating stuff simply because you choose to believe in fantasy economics. No you haven't. Nor will you because it would show you were wrong in your claim that wind costs more than gas.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2023 7:11:51 GMT
Exactly - we are back to your fantasy economics that were debunked weeks ago.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2023 19:04:11 GMT
Exactly - we are back to your fantasy economics that were debunked weeks ago. We aren't anywhere. You are on your own making stuff up because you are wrong. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2023 21:13:44 GMT
Exactly - we are back to your fantasy economics that were debunked weeks ago. We aren't anywhere. You are on your own making stuff up because you are wrong. LOL - you first produced that chart on the 12th October. It was debunked then but you are still promoting it. Try and stop inventing numbers and live in the real world for once.. I know that suggestion will be hard for you. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 23, 2023 21:23:51 GMT
We aren't anywhere. You are on your own making stuff up because you are wrong. LOL - you first produced that chart on the 12th October. It was debunked then but you are still promoting it. Try and stop inventing numbers and live in the real world for once.. I know that suggestion will be hard for you. You debunked nothing. You refuse to give a price for a MWh of gas produced energy and you gave out some slippery hint about no one willing to sell Wind power at £48.00 a MWh. Everyone interested read the same thing. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2023 21:27:51 GMT
LOL - you first produced that chart on the 12th October. It was debunked then but you are still promoting it. Try and stop inventing numbers and live in the real world for once.. I know that suggestion will be hard for you. You debunked nothing. You refuse to give a price for a MWh of gas produced energy and you gave out some slippery hint about no one willing to sell Wind power at £48.00 a MWh. Everyone interested read the same thing. I quoted the source of the figures given in your chart... When the assumptions made by the source are wrong then your chart is obviously wrong - as I said, try reconnecting with reality. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 23, 2023 21:44:56 GMT
I'm sure that "Climate change" has cost us dear: The expense of compliance with an agenda based on falsehoods.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 24, 2023 6:15:00 GMT
You debunked nothing. You refuse to give a price for a MWh of gas produced energy and you gave out some slippery hint about no one willing to sell Wind power at £48.00 a MWh. Everyone interested read the same thing. I quoted the source of the figures given in your chart... When the assumptions made by the source are wrong then your chart is obviously wrong - as I said, try reconnecting with reality. What's the cost of producing a MWh of electricity using Gas? What's the cost of producing a MWh of electricity using Wind? Just two little numbers you must have to back up your hints and speculations. Can't bring yourself to write them down. Lol. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 24, 2023 6:26:23 GMT
LOL - 17 page of figures and you cannot be arsed to read any of them.. ...totally disconnected from reality.. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 24, 2023 6:27:00 GMT
They're exactly the same Zany, for the simple reason that the producers of wind energy are not going to sell it any cheaper than gas because they have no reason to. It actually costs more in reality because we have to provide full-time backup for wind energy because it's intermittent, and that's not cheap.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 24, 2023 6:38:49 GMT
They're exactly the same Zany, for the simple reason that the producers of wind energy are not going to sell it any cheaper than gas because they have no reason to. It actually costs more in reality because we have to provide full-time backup for wind energy because it's intermittent, and that's not cheap. No, you've fallen into Pacifico's trap. They might sell for the same. But they don't cost the same to produce. As for back up costs. I would be interested in seeing what they end up being, but at the moment its not really back up as wind is only about 28% of generation. Lots of cost of change in the future, I'm sure. That's how it always goes. Changing from Horses to cars, canals to railways, ordinary coal to smokeless, private health care to public. All had transition costs. And in each case not changing had a cost as well. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 24, 2023 9:43:34 GMT
I'm sure that "Climate change" has cost us dear: The expense of compliance with an agenda based on falsehoods. Based upon cleaning up the atmosphere and on that which will lead to a source of cheap energy and reduce the high reliance on Oil and or Coal. Basically a necessary path to tread. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 24, 2023 10:02:27 GMT
They're exactly the same Zany, for the simple reason that the producers of wind energy are not going to sell it any cheaper than gas because they have no reason to. It actually costs more in reality because we have to provide full-time backup for wind energy because it's intermittent, and that's not cheap. Yes, UK energy is sold at market prices. Just as we and others would sell oil or gas. There are at present 5 EU countries, including the UK, in the market of producing wind energy with six more countries planning big investments on offshore wind turbines. I would expect that as production levels rise, advances in methods of production will also be created. Costs of production will become lower and either prices to customers will be reduced or the country will earn plenty from exporting energy, or maybe both. |
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