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Post by Vinny on Oct 11, 2023 12:08:18 GMT
Who is "we"? Sunak is not far right, nor are we at war. We is mankind. In that case multiple far right and far left leaders are killing innocents in conflicts around the world and through dictatorial oppression. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 11, 2023 12:15:59 GMT
In that case multiple far right and far left leaders are killing innocents in conflicts around the world and through dictatorial oppression. Actual neo-Nazis are alive and well and posting on sites like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 12:16:26 GMT
In that case multiple far right and far left leaders are killing innocents in conflicts around the world and through dictatorial oppression. Actual neo-Nazis are alive and well and posting on sites like this. Name them. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 11, 2023 12:19:21 GMT
In that case multiple far right and far left leaders are killing innocents in conflicts around the world and through dictatorial oppression. Actual neo-Nazis are alive and well and posting on sites like this. If I come across any Neo Nazis on here I'll report them to you. I reported actual Hitler praising Neo Nazis to mods on the old Politics Forum and on the old Democracy Forum resulting in the scum being banned in short order. |
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Post by piglet on Oct 11, 2023 12:20:32 GMT
To try and understand the nazi hatred of the jews , i can relate this, remember its not me speaking, but my father, he was captured in France and held as a pow in Scotland. I tried to talk to him about the war but he refused, he said it gave him bad dreams. What i gleaned was this, he said that the jews only look after jews, and in response to their fate in the camps, he said that they were people too.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 11, 2023 12:23:49 GMT
The literal translation is 'The sins against the blood'. The theme is 'racial defilement' ( Rassenschande in German) which became a criminal offence in the Third Reich. Yet Hitler was probably part Jewish with DNA from North Africa. He also started seeing Eva Braun when she was 17 and he was 40. A regular Prince Andrew... |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 11, 2023 12:24:40 GMT
Actual neo-Nazis are alive and well and posting on sites like this. Name them. No need. They identify themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 12:26:19 GMT
No need. They identify themselves. I haven't seen anyone announce it. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 11, 2023 13:04:35 GMT
My request to have the thread removed from the Mind Zone was declined by the management. Why not create a more serious thread and leave this one to the kids? I'm not overly keen on the topic, but I am interested in how it all comes together to make the world we see today. Coming up. Likely to be challenging for many members though. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 11, 2023 14:01:36 GMT
...And religions are - for some reason that I'll never understand - regarded as being above the law. Sharia law can say whatever it likes - involving many aspects that are completely illegal in British law - with total impunity. And that's also very strange. The reason why Muslims are able to have religious courts and are exempted from animal welfare regulations is because Jews already had such privileges and have had for centuries.
The PTB could hardly deny them to Muslims without removing them from Jews too.
The Jewish exemptions for Beth Din are slightly less controversial than the muslims'. But, as I've said many times, my argument is about the principle of allowing exemptions from British law for religions - but none for non-religious ideologies. Scrap ALL exemptions IMO. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 11, 2023 14:06:56 GMT
I see the thread was created to troll and attack other members. The thread’s pull is so strong that even after flouncing off, one poster couldn’t resist returning with more excuses… I haven't noticed that myself, but if you're not islamophobic, as you imply, you're basically a Nazi. |
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Post by patman post on Oct 11, 2023 15:40:40 GMT
...And religions are - for some reason that I'll never understand - regarded as being above the law. Sharia law can say whatever it likes - involving many aspects that are completely illegal in British law - with total impunity. And that's also very strange. The reason why Muslims are able to have religious courts and are exempted from animal welfare regulations is because Jews already had such privileges and have had for centuries.
The PTB could hardly deny them to Muslims without removing them from Jews too.
Are any courts in the UK above the law of the land? Isn’t it true that Beth Din and Sharia courts can only act as mediation services with both sides having to agree the outcome, and any formal signed agreement can only be enforced in accordance with the law of the land? I thought even divorce in either court had to be then enforced by a UK court. Is Halal and Kosher slaughter any worse than hunting, shooting and fishing? They also have their opponents. And on the positive side the RSPCA says that: 24 percent of sheep and goats, 19 percent of poultry and one percent of cattle slaughtered for religious purposes in England and Wales did not receive a pre-slaughter stun. This seems to show a growing acceptance of stunning. But, from my own past observations of slaughtering, I doubt all UK slaughter houses with bolt and sledgehammer are as humane as we’d like to believe… |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 11, 2023 16:14:14 GMT
The reason why Muslims are able to have religious courts and are exempted from animal welfare regulations is because Jews already had such privileges and have had for centuries.
The PTB could hardly deny them to Muslims without removing them from Jews too.
Are any courts in the UK above the law of the land? Isn’t it true that Beth Din and Sharia courts can only act as mediation services with both sides having to agree the outcome, and any formal signed agreement can only be enforced in accordance with the law of the land? I thought even divorce in either court had to be then enforced by a UK court. Is Halal and Kosher slaughter any worse than hunting, shooting and fishing? They also have their opponents. And on the positive side the RSPCA says that: 24 percent of sheep and goats, 19 percent of poultry and one percent of cattle slaughtered for religious purposes in England and Wales did not receive a pre-slaughter stun. This seems to show a growing acceptance of stunning. But, from my own past observations of slaughtering, I doubt all UK slaughter houses with bolt and sledgehammer are as humane as we’d like to believe… Do not be fooled, the stunning involved in Halal slaughter is at a reduced voltage to ensure that the animal is not killed and becomes carrion. The UK regulations, which now seem to be a mess once the EU got its hands on them, demanded a level of voltage to ensure the animal was unconscious which ran the risk of killing the animal. There may be a high percent of stunning and a growing acceptance but only because the risk of death in proper stunning has been removed. What is worse is that it seems to be a regular happening that Halal slaughtered meat is slipped into the normal production and the stunning is used as an excuse. This reduces costs for those who prefer Religiously slaughtered meat. The government seem to be fairly lax as regards this. Eventually reduced stunning will become the norm and our regulations will effectively be that only Muslims can slaughter our meat. I quote, "Slowly and surely they drew their plans against us." |
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Post by patman post on Oct 11, 2023 18:46:46 GMT
Are any courts in the UK above the law of the land? Isn’t it true that Beth Din and Sharia courts can only act as mediation services with both sides having to agree the outcome, and any formal signed agreement can only be enforced in accordance with the law of the land? I thought even divorce in either court had to be then enforced by a UK court. Is Halal and Kosher slaughter any worse than hunting, shooting and fishing? They also have their opponents. And on the positive side the RSPCA says that: 24 percent of sheep and goats, 19 percent of poultry and one percent of cattle slaughtered for religious purposes in England and Wales did not receive a pre-slaughter stun. This seems to show a growing acceptance of stunning. But, from my own past observations of slaughtering, I doubt all UK slaughter houses with bolt and sledgehammer are as humane as we’d like to believe… Do not be fooled, the stunning involved in Halal slaughter is at a reduced voltage to ensure that the animal is not killed and becomes carrion. The UK regulations, which now seem to be a mess once the EU got its hands on them, demanded a level of voltage to ensure the animal was unconscious which ran the risk of killing the animal. There may be a high percent of stunning and a growing acceptance but only because the risk of death in proper stunning has been removed. What is worse is that it seems to be a regular happening that Halal slaughtered meat is slipped into the normal production and the stunning is used as an excuse. This reduces costs for those who prefer Religiously slaughtered meat. The government seem to be fairly lax as regards this. Eventually reduced stunning will become the norm and our regulations will effectively be that only Muslims can slaughter our meat. I quote, "Slowly and surely they drew their plans against us." I thought were now out of the EU, and, while we were in, it was its insistence on veterinary checking of slaughter in the UK that added delays and expense. Unless you’ve more compelling data that shows stunning isn’t stunning, I don’t think our dietary habits will change… |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 11, 2023 18:57:39 GMT
Do not be fooled, the stunning involved in Halal slaughter is at a reduced voltage to ensure that the animal is not killed and becomes carrion. The UK regulations, which now seem to be a mess once the EU got its hands on them, demanded a level of voltage to ensure the animal was unconscious which ran the risk of killing the animal. There may be a high percent of stunning and a growing acceptance but only because the risk of death in proper stunning has been removed. What is worse is that it seems to be a regular happening that Halal slaughtered meat is slipped into the normal production and the stunning is used as an excuse. This reduces costs for those who prefer Religiously slaughtered meat. The government seem to be fairly lax as regards this. Eventually reduced stunning will become the norm and our regulations will effectively be that only Muslims can slaughter our meat. I quote, "Slowly and surely they drew their plans against us." I thought were now out of the EU, and, while we were in, it was its insistence on veterinary checking of slaughter in the UK that added delays and expense. Unless you’ve more compelling data that shows stunning isn’t stunning, I don’t think our dietary habits will change… It seems you have been fooled. It has been an issue for many years. Leaving the EU does not mean our regs will automatically revert to pre EU as many have made the changes required, or gone out of business. www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/increase-in-halal-slaughter-major-welfar-issue-say-vetsIn my own ignorance I referred to reduced voltage it is of course the amps that stuns. |
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