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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 16:16:25 GMT
Most threads on here as they come to an end switch to who is far left and far right. So I thought, lets try and define what people want from their left or right wing governments. Not the extremes of fascist or communist In particular have we had too many centre ground governments trying to please everyone and failing to please anyone? That thought came off the back of something I've seen several on here say, but particularly Pacifico who just said (I paraphrase) "Name one Tory thing the Conservatives have done in the last 13 years" Basically is the reason the country is not flying high due to a lack of courage from either side? I disagree, I wouldn't have thought there were many if any on this forum who could reasonably be described as far right or far left. There are certainly lefties bless em, but I would have thought the majority are probably centrist/centre right. I think the problem is, over the past decade or so politics has quietly moved to the left, and I'm not just talking about this country but across Europe and indeed the western world, but I'll focus on this country. The reason politics is so polarised is because there's little difference between Labour and conservative. They have both moved to the centre which is boring and as long as this political malaise continues politics will remain boring. We need the Conservatives to be Conservative, proper old fashioned centre right Conservatives not wishy washy touchy feely conservatives. They should leave that to Labour and the LibDems. It would come as a breath of fresh air, it would revitalise Tory voters and give the left something to whinge about. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 17:25:28 GMT
Most threads on here as they come to an end switch to who is far left and far right. So I thought, lets try and define what people want from their left or right wing governments. Not the extremes of fascist or communist In particular have we had too many centre ground governments trying to please everyone and failing to please anyone? That thought came off the back of something I've seen several on here say, but particularly Pacifico who just said (I paraphrase) "Name one Tory thing the Conservatives have done in the last 13 years" Basically is the reason the country is not flying high due to a lack of courage from either side? I disagree, I wouldn't have thought there were many if any on this forum who could reasonably be described as far right or far left. There are certainly lefties bless em, but I would have thought the majority are probably centrist/centre right. I think the problem is, over the past decade or so politics has quietly moved to the left, and I'm not just talking about this country but across Europe and indeed the western world, but I'll focus on this country. The reason politics is so polarised is because there's little difference between Labour and conservative. They have both moved to the centre which is boring and as long as this political malaise continues politics will remain boring. We need the Conservatives to be Conservative, proper old fashioned centre right Conservatives not wishy washy touchy feely conservatives. They should leave that to Labour and the LibDems. It would come as a breath of fresh air, it would revitalise Tory voters and give the left something to whinge about. The trouble with these type of posts Red, is that they always start by assuming the poster is pretty central. I hate to disillusion you, but you are far from being central old boy. You're a raving and ill informed Right Winger. 😅 😂 🤣 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2023 17:30:47 GMT
I disagree, I wouldn't have thought there were many if any on this forum who could reasonably be described as far right or far left. There are certainly lefties bless em, but I would have thought the majority are probably centrist/centre right. I think the problem is, over the past decade or so politics has quietly moved to the left, and I'm not just talking about this country but across Europe and indeed the western world, but I'll focus on this country. The reason politics is so polarised is because there's little difference between Labour and conservative. They have both moved to the centre which is boring and as long as this political malaise continues politics will remain boring. We need the Conservatives to be Conservative, proper old fashioned centre right Conservatives not wishy washy touchy feely conservatives. They should leave that to Labour and the LibDems. It would come as a breath of fresh air, it would revitalise Tory voters and give the left something to whinge about. The trouble with these type of posts Red, is that they always start by assuming the poster is pretty central. I hate to disillusion you, but you are far from being central old boy. You're a raving and ill informed Right Winger. 😅 😂 🤣Don't be delusional, Zany: Red's way closer to the centre than you are. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 17:31:53 GMT
I disagree, I wouldn't have thought there were many if any on this forum who could reasonably be described as far right or far left. There are certainly lefties bless em, but I would have thought the majority are probably centrist/centre right. I think the problem is, over the past decade or so politics has quietly moved to the left, and I'm not just talking about this country but across Europe and indeed the western world, but I'll focus on this country. The reason politics is so polarised is because there's little difference between Labour and conservative. They have both moved to the centre which is boring and as long as this political malaise continues politics will remain boring. We need the Conservatives to be Conservative, proper old fashioned centre right Conservatives not wishy washy touchy feely conservatives. They should leave that to Labour and the LibDems. It would come as a breath of fresh air, it would revitalise Tory voters and give the left something to whinge about. The trouble with these type of posts Red, is that they always start by assuming the poster is pretty central. I hate to disillusion you, but you are far from being central old boy. You're a raving and ill informed Right Winger. 😅 😂 🤣I don't claim to be centrist, never have. I'm centre right. Of course to a lefty, centre right is KKK territory lol. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 17:32:26 GMT
The trouble with these type of posts Red, is that they always start by assuming the poster is pretty central. I hate to disillusion you, but you are far from being central old boy. You're a raving and ill informed Right Winger. 😅 😂 🤣Don't be delusional, Zany: Red's way closer to the centre than you are. Thank you. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2023 17:40:26 GMT
I don't claim to be centrist, never have. I'm centre right. Of course to a lefty, centre right is KKK territory lol. Indeed. These days, to many on the left the centre is "Far Right". Which says more about them than they realise. The little fascists. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 17:51:15 GMT
The trouble with these type of posts Red, is that they always start by assuming the poster is pretty central. I hate to disillusion you, but you are far from being central old boy. You're a raving and ill informed Right Winger. 😅 😂 🤣Don't be delusional, Zany: Red's way closer to the centre than you are. Says another Right Winger. Next. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2023 17:54:15 GMT
Don't be delusional, Zany: Red's way closer to the centre than you are. Says another Right Winger. Next. QED.  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 18:00:56 GMT
Says another Right Winger. Next. QED. Nope. Two right wingers don't prove a centralist. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2023 18:02:54 GMT
Bye.
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Post by dappy on Oct 27, 2023 18:09:25 GMT
This is one of life’s mysteries. Why are right wingers so keen to deny being right wingers and pretend they are central in some way. Being right wing is perfectly legitimate. Why not own it though?
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 18:15:15 GMT
Don't be delusional, Zany: Red's way closer to the centre than you are. Says another Right Winger. Next. Oh ffs ZG grow up. You used to be fairly sensible, what's happened, have you been reading the LibDem manifesto? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 18:21:00 GMT
This is one of life’s mysteries. Why are right wingers so keen to deny being right wingers and pretend they are central in some way. Being right wing is perfectly legitimate. Why not own it though? Why do some lefties insist that anyone who is even slightly right of centre is a far right extremist? For the record, I used to be a fully paid up card carrying member of the Labour party, you can laugh but it's true. And whenever I do the political compas test, which I know isn't scientific, I'm always very slightly 'left' of centre. However, today I identify as a centre right Conservative. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 27, 2023 18:25:17 GMT
This is one of life’s mysteries. Why are right wingers so keen to deny being right wingers and pretend they are central in some way. Being right wing is perfectly legitimate. Why not own it though? Why do some lefties insist that anyone who is even slightly right of centre is a far right extremist? For the record, I used to be a fully paid up card carrying member of the Labour party, you can laugh but it's true. And whenever I do the political compas test, which I know isn't scientific, I'm always very slightly 'left' of centre. However, today I identify as a centre right Conservative. That applies to many. I was a Union rep and a staunch Labour supporter and voter. I even voted for Blair twice and came close to voting for Brown. After that the veils were lifted from my eyes. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 27, 2023 18:34:00 GMT
Frankly no interest what you used to be. Now you are very much on the right. And that’s perfectly fine. Just really odd that you seem so keen to deny your reality. Why?
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