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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 18:42:17 GMT
Why do some lefties insist that anyone who is even slightly right of centre is a far right extremist? For the record, I used to be a fully paid up card carrying member of the Labour party, you can laugh but it's true. And whenever I do the political compas test, which I know isn't scientific, I'm always very slightly 'left' of centre. However, today I identify as a centre right Conservative. That applies to many. I was a Union rep and a staunch Labour supporter and voter. I even voted for Blair twice and came close to voting for Brown. After that the veils were lifted from my eyes. When I left the army I became quite heavily involved with trade unionism. Not for long, two or three years, I was branch secretary actually. I won't go into it suffice to say I got quietly disillusioned with what went on behind the scenes, things that ordinary members who struggled to pay union due's didn't know about. That was 20 years ago and it would be fair to say my politics has changed. It's a bit difficult actually, I left the army in 1999 and didn't know the first thing about civvy street. I was like a kid leaving school, I thought I was Labour then for a couple of years went on a very steep leaning curve, and wised up. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 18:42:33 GMT
This is one of life’s mysteries. Why are right wingers so keen to deny being right wingers and pretend they are central in some way. Being right wing is perfectly legitimate. Why not own it though? They're ashamed.  |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 27, 2023 18:43:18 GMT
Frankly no interest what you used to be. Now you are very much on the right. And that’s perfectly fine. Just really odd that you seem so keen to deny your reality. Why? I identify as 'right' but in all honesty I believe most of that I wish for society is more leftish. I would add that in order to have a society work effectively there has to be a degree of homogeneity and a desire by others to be part of it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 18:51:17 GMT
This is one of life’s mysteries. Why are right wingers so keen to deny being right wingers and pretend they are central in some way. Being right wing is perfectly legitimate. Why not own it though? They're ashamed. Pillock. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 27, 2023 18:57:47 GMT
This is one of life’s mysteries. Why are right wingers so keen to deny being right wingers and pretend they are central in some way. Being right wing is perfectly legitimate. Why not own it though? They're ashamed. Just out of curiosity what is it that makes me RW in your eyes. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 19:08:46 GMT
That applies to many. I was a Union rep and a staunch Labour supporter and voter. I even voted for Blair twice and came close to voting for Brown. After that the veils were lifted from my eyes. When I left the army I became quite heavily involved with trade unionism. Not for long, two or three years, I was branch secretary actually. I won't go into it suffice to say I got quietly disillusioned with what went on behind the scenes, things that ordinary members who struggled to pay union due's didn't know about. That was 20 years ago and it would be fair to say my politics has changed. It's a bit difficult actually, I left the army in 1999 and didn't know the first thing about civvy street. I was like a kid leaving school, I thought I was Labour then for a couple of years went on a very steep leaning curve, and wised up. One of my mates was a union rep in a big printing factory. He said he spent most of his time telling members to grow up. Lol. I'm not a natural Leftie. I left home with nothing and built a medium sized company out of blood sweat and tears. The reason I'm a bit leftie for a capitalist is that I've been on the poor side of things and I know what happens to you is not always your own doing. So when someone needs help or can't make ends meet, I don't think waster, I think poor bugger. That same thinking goes for economic migrants as much as young Brits. Its difficult being a realistic leftie, recognising that even as you sympathise you cannot bankrupt yourself or your country helping everyone. Much easier being right wing and calling everyone of them a scrounger. Lets you off the hook nicely. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 27, 2023 19:11:30 GMT
Most threads on here as they come to an end switch to who is far left and far right. So I thought, lets try and define what people want from their left or right wing governments. Not the extremes of fascist or communist In particular have we had too many centre ground governments trying to please everyone and failing to please anyone? That thought came off the back of something I've seen several on here say, but particularly Pacifico who just said (I paraphrase) "Name one Tory thing the Conservatives have done in the last 13 years" Basically is the reason the country is not flying high due to a lack of courage from either side? Ok I think i want the government that allowed my grandfather and father and my aunt and uncle to earn a veritable fortune from their talent and ingenuity whilst the ordinary blue collar working man could actually afford to pay the council the rent for the roof over their head AND the rest of the bills incurred living tbere from a forty hour a week blue collar job. I don’t actually give a shit what colour that government is |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 19:11:31 GMT
They're ashamed. Pillock. Aw Red, jus teasin |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 19:19:52 GMT
Most threads on here as they come to an end switch to who is far left and far right. So I thought, lets try and define what people want from their left or right wing governments. Not the extremes of fascist or communist In particular have we had too many centre ground governments trying to please everyone and failing to please anyone? That thought came off the back of something I've seen several on here say, but particularly Pacifico who just said (I paraphrase) "Name one Tory thing the Conservatives have done in the last 13 years" Basically is the reason the country is not flying high due to a lack of courage from either side? Ok I think i want the government that allowed my grandfather and father and my aunt and uncle to earn a veritable fortune from their talent and ingenuity whilst the ordinary blue collar working man could actually afford to pay the council the rent for the roof over their head AND the rest of the bills incurred living tbere from a forty hour a week blue collar job. I don’t actually give a shit what colour that government is I think that's what most want John. How you would achieve it is what defines your political colour. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 19:50:12 GMT
When I left the army I became quite heavily involved with trade unionism. Not for long, two or three years, I was branch secretary actually. I won't go into it suffice to say I got quietly disillusioned with what went on behind the scenes, things that ordinary members who struggled to pay union due's didn't know about. That was 20 years ago and it would be fair to say my politics has changed. It's a bit difficult actually, I left the army in 1999 and didn't know the first thing about civvy street. I was like a kid leaving school, I thought I was Labour then for a couple of years went on a very steep leaning curve, and wised up. One of my mates was a union rep in a big printing factory. He said he spent most of his time telling members to grow up. Lol. I'm not a natural Leftie. I left home with nothing and built a medium sized company out of blood sweat and tears. The reason I'm a bit leftie for a capitalist is that I've been on the poor side of things and I know what happens to you is not always your own doing. So when someone needs help or can't make ends meet, I don't think waster, I think poor bugger. That same thinking goes for economic migrants as much as young Brits. Its difficult being a realistic leftie, recognising that even as you sympathise you cannot bankrupt yourself or your country helping everyone. Much easier being right wing and calling everyone of them a scrounger. Lets you off the hook nicely. ZG, because I'm not a spineless lefty does not mean I don't have a social conscience. We grew up with nothing because my dad died very young, and when I see someone who needs help or cant make ends meet, I do not think 'waster', I think back to my childhood. I'm loathe to mention this but at the risk of comming across all Smashie and Nicey... Last Christmas I paid for someone's shopping at a supermarket, she didn't look very affluent and was paying cash at the till. Quite clearly she didn't have enough and I could tell buy her purchases she probably didn't have much money. So I paid her bill, If memory serves I think it about £40 and you know £40 buys nothing. She was almost in tears, she was so embarrassed. If she hadn't have disappeared so quickly I'd have told her to go around again and fill her trolley with whatever she wanted. You see in spite of apparently being 'far right' Mrs R and I often do things like this, we donate to a food bank every week, you wouldn't believe some of it. We do these things because we can afford to and because I know times are hard for some people and I can relate to that because times were often hard for us when we were kids. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 27, 2023 20:10:48 GMT
I was labour through and through ,Blair changed that .
Having said that I haven’t much confidence in many of them.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2023 20:11:13 GMT
This is one of life’s mysteries. Why are right wingers so keen to deny being right wingers and pretend they are central in some way. Being right wing is perfectly legitimate. Why not own it though? Ok then, I'm right wing.
Although I'm a current trade union member, and former Lib Dem voter.
But hey if, in Drippy World, that makes me right wing then I'll own it.
More likely that drippy & co are left wing extremists, however...
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 20:12:30 GMT
One of my mates was a union rep in a big printing factory. He said he spent most of his time telling members to grow up. Lol. I'm not a natural Leftie. I left home with nothing and built a medium sized company out of blood sweat and tears. The reason I'm a bit leftie for a capitalist is that I've been on the poor side of things and I know what happens to you is not always your own doing. So when someone needs help or can't make ends meet, I don't think waster, I think poor bugger. That same thinking goes for economic migrants as much as young Brits. Its difficult being a realistic leftie, recognising that even as you sympathise you cannot bankrupt yourself or your country helping everyone. Much easier being right wing and calling everyone of them a scrounger. Lets you off the hook nicely. ZG, because I'm not a spineless lefty does not mean I don't have a social conscience. We grew up with nothing because my dad died very young, and when I see someone who needs help or cant make ends meet, I do not think 'waster', I think back to my childhood. I'm loathe to mention this but at the risk of comming across all Smashie and Nicey... Last Christmas I paid for someone's shopping at a supermarket, she didn't look very affluent and was paying cash at the till. Quite clearly she didn't have enough and I could tell buy her purchases she probably didn't have much money. So I paid her bill, If memory serves I think it about £40 and you know £40 buys nothing. She was almost in tears, she was so embarrassed. If she hadn't have disappeared so quickly I'd have told her to go around again and fill her trolley with whatever she wanted. You see in spite of apparently being 'far right' Mrs R and I often do things like this, we donate to a food bank every week, you wouldn't believe some of it. We do these things because we can afford to and because I know times are hard for some people and I can relate to that because times were often hard for us when we were kids. sition And that Red, is why despite often disagreeing on things, I like you and would happily stand you a pint anytime. Funnily enough I did something similar last Sunday in a Greggs. I was there buying my 3 year old grand daughter lunch. I watched a young mum at the till try her card three times, so I just got up said "My treat" and swiped my card. I think giving almost gives more to the giver than the receiver. Its nice to be in a position to help. If only you could expand that decency to people fleeing poverty in other countries Light fuse, Retire to a safe distance, Wait.... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 20:23:02 GMT
ZG, because I'm not a spineless lefty does not mean I don't have a social conscience. We grew up with nothing because my dad died very young, and when I see someone who needs help or cant make ends meet, I do not think 'waster', I think back to my childhood. I'm loathe to mention this but at the risk of comming across all Smashie and Nicey... Last Christmas I paid for someone's shopping at a supermarket, she didn't look very affluent and was paying cash at the till. Quite clearly she didn't have enough and I could tell buy her purchases she probably didn't have much money. So I paid her bill, If memory serves I think it about £40 and you know £40 buys nothing. She was almost in tears, she was so embarrassed. If she hadn't have disappeared so quickly I'd have told her to go around again and fill her trolley with whatever she wanted. You see in spite of apparently being 'far right' Mrs R and I often do things like this, we donate to a food bank every week, you wouldn't believe some of it. We do these things because we can afford to and because I know times are hard for some people and I can relate to that because times were often hard for us when we were kids. sition And that Red, is why despite often disagreeing on things, I like you and would happily stand you a pint anytime. Funnily enough I did something similar last Sunday in a Greggs. I was there buying my 3 year old grand daughter lunch. I watched a young mum at the till try her card three times, so I just got up said "My treat" and swiped my card. I think giving almost gives more to the giver than the receiver. Its nice to be in a position to help. If only you could expand that decency to people fleeing poverty in other countries Light fuse, Retire to a safe distance, Wait.... ZG, thousands of people in this country sleep rough, thousands of kids don't have a bed to call their own and go to school hungry. Yet the government can afford £8 million a day on hotels for mainly young Muslim men who are fleeing the terror of war torn France. I'm charitable, but charity starts at home. We have problems enough without importing more. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 27, 2023 20:43:53 GMT
And that Red, is why despite often disagreeing on things, I like you and would happily stand you a pint anytime. Funnily enough I did something similar last Sunday in a Greggs. I was there buying my 3 year old grand daughter lunch. I watched a young mum at the till try her card three times, so I just got up said "My treat" and swiped my card. I think giving almost gives more to the giver than the receiver. Its nice to be in a position to help. If only you could expand that decency to people fleeing poverty in other countries Light fuse, Retire to a safe distance, Wait.... ZG, thousands of people in this country sleep rough, thousands of kids don't have a bed to call their own and go to school hungry. Yet the government can afford £8 million a day on hotels for mainly young Muslim men who are fleeing the terror of war torn France. I'm charitable, but charity starts at home. We have problems enough without importing more. The stupid way we deal with them we can agree on. blaming France, No. That they are young men, so what. Young men want a future, just as we did. That charity begins at home is so true and were our government switching money from migrant hotels to homeless Brits I would have little argument, but all I see is them lining the pockets of the already filthy rich and getting themselves non exec directorships. |
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