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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 7, 2023 11:44:29 GMT
Well they all get elected by promising the opposite - however in power they do a 180.. The public never vote for higher immigration. Serious Pacifico. The Tories have been re-elected time and again promising the same thing. Question is WHY do they keep breaking that promise. Why do they want to risk the public turning against them if there is no benefit from immigration. That's a laugh, Mr Flip flop himself has broken promises on just about everything, and that's 'before' he becomes PM. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 11:47:55 GMT
Well they all get elected by promising the opposite - however in power they do a 180.. The public never vote for higher immigration. Serious Pacifico. The Tories have been re-elected time and again promising the same thing. Question is WHY do they keep breaking that promise. Why do they want to risk the public turning against them if there is no benefit from immigration. The system is so corrupt on every level that the people are the least of their worries. They're careerists, not the royals. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 7, 2023 12:14:50 GMT
Serious Pacifico. The Tories have been re-elected time and again promising the same thing. Question is WHY do they keep breaking that promise. Why do they want to risk the public turning against them if there is no benefit from immigration. That's a laugh, Mr Flip flop himself has broken promises on just about everything, and that's 'before' he becomes PM. Its nothing to do with Labour. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 7, 2023 12:23:01 GMT
That's a laugh, Mr Flip flop himself has broken promises on just about everything, and that's 'before' he becomes PM. Its nothing to do with Labour. What's nothing to do with Labour?
Are you saying Labour wont have the same issues to deal with as the Tories do now?
That response makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 12:34:30 GMT
That's a laugh, Mr Flip flop himself has broken promises on just about everything, and that's 'before' he becomes PM. Its nothing to do with Labour. Labour encourages and supports every means to cram more and more people into the country. Some are actually panicking because population growth rate slowed down after the EU referendum. Labour corrupted the left and right of politics, balkanised the Union and brought war, terrorism, mass-immigration and multiculturalism and all without a single mandate. The Tories maintain the flow by using contradictory bullshit to get reelected, but nobody has any reason to believe them now. Labour isn't doing well, it's just that the Tories are Labour, so I guess people, real people, are in a position of who gives a fk who gets in? Nothing changes. |
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Post by piglet on Oct 7, 2023 12:36:07 GMT
When a football club keeps losing they have a clearout, players management. The country is losing, not being managed efficiently, the Tories and Labour are not fit for purpose, proven time and time again. I wont be voting in the next election, whoever i vote for if i did, would be a vote for failure.
To continue the football analogy, Man United could be bottom of div 4, and the same old rubbish would be trotted out, and the public will still vote for it. How to change it, thats interesting.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 7, 2023 13:18:31 GMT
Its nothing to do with Labour. What's nothing to do with Labour?
Are you saying Labour wont have the same issues to deal with as the Tories do now?
That response makes no sense.
I'm not saying anything about Labour. That's why my post has nothing to do with Mr Flip flop. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 7, 2023 14:31:57 GMT
Your theory only stand up if most migrants contribute more in taxes than they consume in services. Do you have a non-partisan source to confirm that?
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Post by Orac on Oct 7, 2023 15:41:11 GMT
Zany, Your question is a deflection - there is no solution to such an idiotic policy. The solution is stop hitting yourself with the hammer of immigration. isn't the more fundamental question, why are the people who want this policy able to hold it in place, despite the clear opposition of the public? "Your question is a deflection" Your question is sadly going to be ignored because you just can't be civil. "How can we re-arrange things so we can continue with a stupid policy?" It's not a very tempting question |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2023 16:11:28 GMT
Most threads on here as they come to an end switch to who is far left and far right. So I thought, lets try and define what people want from their left or right wing governments. Not the extremes of fascist or communist In particular have we had too many centre ground governments trying to please everyone and failing to please anyone? That thought came off the back of something I've seen several on here say, but particularly Pacifico who just said (I paraphrase) "Name one Tory thing the Conservatives have done in the last 13 years" Basically is the reason the country is not flying high due to a lack of courage from either side? I want a centrist, small state, meritocratic government providing basic infrastructure, low taxes and minimal interference in my everyday life.
When they start telling me what I can and can't eat/drink/smoke, where I can and can't go and when, then they're overstepping the mark.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 7, 2023 17:19:21 GMT
Well they all get elected by promising the opposite - however in power they do a 180.. The public never vote for higher immigration. Serious Pacifico. The Tories have been re-elected time and again promising the same thing. Question is WHY do they keep breaking that promise. Why do they want to risk the public turning against them if there is no benefit from immigration. The Tories keep listening to big business who want cheap labour - the Labour Party don't care about low wages they want mass immigration to "rub the Right's nose in diversity" So whichever crowd get in the average man in the street is fucked. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 7, 2023 17:47:49 GMT
Serious Pacifico. The Tories have been re-elected time and again promising the same thing. Question is WHY do they keep breaking that promise. Why do they want to risk the public turning against them if there is no benefit from immigration. The Tories keep listening to big business who want cheap labour - the Labour Party don't care about low wages they want mass immigration to "rub the Right's nose in diversity" So whichever crowd get in the average man in the street is fucked. So why do people support them if they don't represent their views. Why do people claim the man in the street supports them? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2023 18:03:13 GMT
Because fptp makes the parties that we actually want unelectable.
That's why I reluctantly support PR these days.
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 7, 2023 18:47:31 GMT
Because fptp makes the parties that we actually want unelectable. That's why I reluctantly support PR these days. You mean the party you support is not that popular? FWIW, I support PR too. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 7, 2023 19:54:28 GMT
None of them are. They're all shitheads, we're just forced to vote for whomever we consider to be the least worst.
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