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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 11:00:01 GMT
The Loony Left are no longer in control of The Labour Party, they are a minority in the Parliamentary Party, they are a minority on the National Executive Committee, and they have largely gone from the membership, the Corbynite group "Momentum" is either almost finished or gone ( not sure which ).
Its now the Tories turn for a Civil War ... and its plainly obvious that its going on
Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott have as much chance of influencing the Labour Party as what The Pope does in influencing Gay Rights.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 8, 2023 11:01:49 GMT
The Loony Left are no longer in control of The Labour Party, they are a minority in the Parliamentary Party, they are a minority on the National Executive Committee, and they have largely gone from the membership, the Corbynite group "Momentum" is either almost finished or gone ( not sure which ).
Its now the Tories turn for a Civil War ... and its plainly obvious that its going onJeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott have as much chance of influencing the Labour Party as what The Pope does in influencing Gay Rights. You think so ...
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 11:10:51 GMT
And indeed, a huge 20% swing from SNP to Labour. If that was replicated across Scotland would result in over 40 seats in the next general election. sorry andrew , but where are you getting your figure of a twenty per cent swing from snp voters to labour in the rutherglen by election.?
The analysis i have read shows labour won the seat by simply watching the snp vote collapse , stay at home largely , and the snp fall past it.
The tory vote and liberals also collapsed , but it appears they lent their vote to the labour candidate , but even that wasnt enough for starmers party to match what corbyn took in 2019 when labour lost the seat.
There is very little significant swing to the labour party from the nationalist vote across scotland. We are seeing northern irish type voting patterns emerge on a consistent basis , with a nationalist and unionist voting block . The swings tend to be with in unionism or nationalism , rarely if ever from nationalist to unionist or vice versa.
A 37 % turnout is abysmal even by by elections standards.
I think the big news from this by elections wasnt labour taking back this marginal seat , or even the collapse of the snp vote , but the continued deterioration of uk democracy. If you are a british unionist , and want starmers new labour to oust the tories , then you must fear for the future if the best starmer can offer is an abysmally low turnout for uk elections and him falling into power off the collapse of other parties votes.
...but then we have been here with new labour before , in 2001 when blair won a landslide off the back of the lowest post war electoral turnout in uk general elections. voter apathy , and 80 % of the electorate saying none of the above isnt good for democracy.
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 11:14:26 GMT
Well we dont actually - we see large numbers staying home and sitting on their hands because they feel they have nobody to vote for. Take the recent by-election where labour achieved a 20% swing. The amount of votes Labour got was actually lower than they got at the last election when they lost - people certainly are not flocking to Starmers policies - perhaps if he had some that might be different. What a very strange comparison. One by election with stunning gains in an area where Labour and the Tories have historically done badly. Used as a guide for how the people across the UK feel. I'll stick with the election polls. Which we have to go all the way back to John Major to see them getting it very wrong what are you talking about now zany?
If you are talking about rutherglen , labour havent historically done badly here. This is marginal , which labour held as recently as 2017. so what are you gibbering about ?
Labour didnt make stunning gains. They took less votes than corbyn took in the seat in 2019 when he lost it to the snp.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 11:16:51 GMT
The Loony Left are no longer in control of The Labour Party, they are a minority in the Parliamentary Party, they are a minority on the National Executive Committee, and they have largely gone from the membership, the Corbynite group "Momentum" is either almost finished or gone ( not sure which ).
Its now the Tories turn for a Civil War ... and its plainly obvious that its going onJeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott have as much chance of influencing the Labour Party as what The Pope does in influencing Gay Rights. You think so ...
So a heckler was removed from the stage prior to Angela Raynors speech, Big Deal, it is obviously sensational news for The Daily Express, but is not mentioned on most news oulets including ITV News and BBC. Were all Doooomed |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 8, 2023 11:23:12 GMT
And indeed, a huge 20% swing from SNP to Labour. If that was replicated across Scotland would result in over 40 seats in the next general election. sorry andrew , but where are you getting your figure of a twenty per cent swing from snp voters to labour in the rutherglen by election.? Exact swing was 20.4%. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67024349 |
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 11:30:50 GMT
sorry andrew , but where are you getting your figure of a twenty per cent swing from snp voters to labour in the rutherglen by election.? Exact swing was 20.4%. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67024349according to this article by the guy at wings , stuart campbell , a well known critic of the snp since 2017 at least , labour took votes from the other unionist parties.
Last night was a hugely favourable contest for the challenger. It’s clear that voters of the other Unionist parties lent their votes to Labour in significant numbers in order to deliver a humiliating defeat to the SNP, judging by the spectacular decline in the Tory and Lib Dem vote
But even that wasn’t enough to get Labour’s vote up. As with 2017, the party gained the seat not by generating a groundswell of public enthusiasm for itself, but simply by standing more or less still and watching the hapless SNP fall past it.
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Post by patman post on Oct 8, 2023 11:41:27 GMT
I thought elections were won by winners getting more votes than their opponents, not by the number of people who didn’t vote…
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Post by sheepy on Oct 8, 2023 11:47:58 GMT
By putting that cross as probably half of them couldn't spell their name anyway is putting your name to whatever they think up next, most unadvisable.
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 11:53:05 GMT
the same people once challenging a 51.89 % democratic victory on a 72.21% turnout now arguing 58.6% victory on a 37 % turnout as a sign of a normal healthy democracy is laughable.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 8, 2023 12:03:21 GMT
So a heckler was removed from the stage prior to Angela Raynors speech, Big Deal, it is obviously sensational news for The Daily Express, but is not mentioned on most news oulets including ITV News and BBC. Were all Doooomed Strange, the heckler at the Tory party conference was headline news. |
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Post by borchester on Oct 8, 2023 12:09:28 GMT
Next General Election is getting close. We have polls that tells us things don't look bad for Tories but we will also have quite a few by-elections to give us a picture of where we are. What polls are they ?
For the last year the Tories have been bumping along at between 25% and 28% of the vote and the Labour party between 40% and 45%.
The only good news for the Tories is that Starmer wants to be PM and will happily dump any socialist ideology to do so.
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 12:11:08 GMT
So a heckler was removed from the stage prior to Angela Raynors speech, Big Deal, it is obviously sensational news for The Daily Express, but is not mentioned on most news oulets including ITV News and BBC. Were all Doooomed Strange, the heckler at the Tory party conference was headline news. i bet you it was on the bbc. In scotland , there is a well known and hugely incestuous relationship between the labour party and the bbc that stretches back decades. Time and again , wee see the snp politicians get a rough ride from auntie , while labours branch manager sarwar gets it easy.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive: BBC Scotland and the Labour Party
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 12:16:01 GMT
Next General Election is getting close. We have polls that tells us things don't look bad for Tories but we will also have quite a few by-elections to give us a picture of where we are. What polls are they ?
For the last year the Tories have been bumping along at between 25% and 28% of the vote and the Labour party between 40% and 45%.
The only good news for the Tories is that Starmer wants to be PM and will happily dump any socialist ideology to do so.
good to see you back borkie , i did wonder if you had been out with the boys pulling down the odd ULEZ camera recently.
well if starmer does win off the back of three men and their dog voting for him while the rest of us sit at home shouting none of the above , its going to be fun watching him reignite the british skip fire. Not only is he prepared to dump any socialists in the party and their ideology , but of course from your point of view he wants to dump brexit and brexiters ideology.
Still you cant have everything borkie. We will all have to trot off into the sunset holding hands as new labour pro europeans .
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 8, 2023 12:19:47 GMT
Strange, the heckler at the Tory party conference was headline news. i bet you it was on the bbc. In scotland , there is a well known and hugely incestuous relationship between the labour party and the bbc that stretches back decades. Time and again , wee see the snp politicians get a rough ride from auntie , while labours branch manager sarwar gets it easy.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive: BBC Scotland and the Labour Party
Yes, Labour have infiltrated many media sources, the BBC obviously being the main one, the media are going to help Labour in to power, no doubt about that, they've got a unfair advantage, I can't understand why they stand a dogs chance when we can clearly see they intend to increase the ULEZ and the 20 mph zones right across the country, that will almost impact on every single household in the country ... how are they getting away with it? |
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