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Post by borchester on Oct 8, 2023 12:30:36 GMT
What polls are they ?
For the last year the Tories have been bumping along at between 25% and 28% of the vote and the Labour party between 40% and 45%.
The only good news for the Tories is that Starmer wants to be PM and will happily dump any socialist ideology to do so.
good to see you back borkie , i did wonder if you had been out with the boys pulling down the odd ULEZ camera recently.
well if starmer does win off the back of three men and their dog voting for him while the rest of us sit at home shouting none of the above , its going to be fun watching him reignite the british skip fire. Not only is he prepared to dump any socialists in the party and their ideology , but of course from your point of view he wants to dump brexit and brexiters ideology.
Still you cant have everything borkie. We will all have to trot off into the sunset holding hands as new labour pro europeans .
I don't need to damage the ULEZ cameras Tommy. My cripple cart is exempt (it is electric. Christ I am trendy !) and more to the point, Saddo Khan is perfectly capable of fucking up the Labour party on his own
As for the EU, I am not bothered. Starmer might promise the Scots that he will campaign for closer links to Brussels, but he will betray them. The Scots that is, not the EU.
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 12:34:20 GMT
i bet you it was on the bbc. In scotland , there is a well known and hugely incestuous relationship between the labour party and the bbc that stretches back decades. Time and again , wee see the snp politicians get a rough ride from auntie , while labours branch manager sarwar gets it easy.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive: BBC Scotland and the Labour Party
Yes, Labour have infiltrated many media sources, the BBC obviously being the main one, the media are going to help Labour in to power, no doubt about that, they've got a unfair advantage, I can't understand why they stand a dogs chance when we can clearly see they intend to increase the ULEZ and the 20 mph zones right across the country, that will almost impact on every single household in the country ... how are they getting away with it? clearly the voters of rutherglen stayed at home because they coudlnt stomech any of the above . The snps relentless focus on micro policy like gender rights , foisting the unpopualr ulez policy on glasgow (at the minute unlike london its merely central glasgow ) while straying from the day job of gaining indy has turned their voting base off.
As you point out though , wether its the tories in england or snp in scotland , it looks like being out of the frying pan and into the fire with labour.
If keir starmer is seen as the answer to the problem , then we are all in a bad place indeed.
anger at the snp and tories , mass apathy , feelings of helplessness and an undemcratic hugely unrepresentative fptp system that allows labour to fall into place off the back of a fraction of the vote. The new labour way , and they love it.
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 12:38:38 GMT
good to see you back borkie , i did wonder if you had been out with the boys pulling down the odd ULEZ camera recently.
well if starmer does win off the back of three men and their dog voting for him while the rest of us sit at home shouting none of the above , its going to be fun watching him reignite the british skip fire. Not only is he prepared to dump any socialists in the party and their ideology , but of course from your point of view he wants to dump brexit and brexiters ideology.
Still you cant have everything borkie. We will all have to trot off into the sunset holding hands as new labour pro europeans .
I don't need to damage the ULEZ cameras Tommy. My cripple cart is exempt (it is electric. Christ I am trendy !) and more to the point, Saddo Khan is perfectly capable of fucking up the Labour party on his own
As for the EU, I am not bothered. Starmer might promise the Scots that he will campaign for closer links to Brussels, but he will betray them. The Scots that is, not the EU.
It is what the Labour party does. how the other half live borkie.
Starmer isnt promising scotland to campaign for closer links to the eu , in fact he is saying the opposite. looks like its your lot who is going to get betrayed , but as you say its the new labour way. Om and vinny for example think sir keir is a fine example of a trustworthy politician whose word is his bond and wont possibly take the uk back into the hater eu , but you cant tell them.
Still it wont be me screaming from the rooftops when he does take the uk back into the EU. I would imagine farage and many others will be pointing it out step by step as the uk is tied in bit by bit . i promise i wont laugh.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 8, 2023 13:00:24 GMT
Yes, Labour have infiltrated many media sources, the BBC obviously being the main one, the media are going to help Labour in to power, no doubt about that, they've got a unfair advantage, I can't understand why they stand a dogs chance when we can clearly see they intend to increase the ULEZ and the 20 mph zones right across the country, that will almost impact on every single household in the country ... how are they getting away with it? clearly the voters of rutherglen stayed at home because they coudlnt stomech any of the above . The snps relentless focus on micro policy like gender rights , foisting the unpopualr ulez policy on glasgow (at the minute unlike london its merely central glasgow ) while straying from the day job of gaining indy has turned their voting base off.
As you point out though , wether its the tories in england or snp in scotland , it looks like being out of the frying pan and into the fire with labour.
If keir starmer is seen as the answer to the problem , then we are all in a bad place indeed.
anger at the snp and tories , mass apathy , feelings of helplessness and an undemcratic hugely unrepresentative fptp system that allows labour to fall into place off the back of a fraction of the vote. The new labour way , and they love it.
It's not good news for the Tories that the SNP are failing, because it gives Labour a boost, I don't think politically (in my time) we have been left with such dire political choices, Tories, Labour, Lib-dems, SNP, it's hard to make your mind up which one is the worst.
It only gets worse, because if Labour do win the next GE, I've said this, and I'll say it again, Starmer will be kicked out in less than a year, Rayner will be Prime Minister, the Unions will run the Country, and Blair will be bum licking his EU dragging us back in the past, because he can't move one, he's got too much personal interests in the EU.
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Post by om15 on Oct 8, 2023 13:12:48 GMT
If we view the prospect of a Labour Government with dismay it is with good reason. Here is the Deputy Leader,
Quite so, perhaps we might ponder on exactly what both are delivering.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 8, 2023 13:39:15 GMT
clearly the voters of rutherglen stayed at home because they coudlnt stomech any of the above . The snps relentless focus on micro policy like gender rights , foisting the unpopualr ulez policy on glasgow (at the minute unlike london its merely central glasgow ) while straying from the day job of gaining indy has turned their voting base off.
As you point out though , wether its the tories in england or snp in scotland , it looks like being out of the frying pan and into the fire with labour.
If keir starmer is seen as the answer to the problem , then we are all in a bad place indeed.
anger at the snp and tories , mass apathy , feelings of helplessness and an undemcratic hugely unrepresentative fptp system that allows labour to fall into place off the back of a fraction of the vote. The new labour way , and they love it.
It's not good news for the Tories that the SNP are failing, because it gives Labour a boost, I don't think politically (in my time) we have been left with such dire political choices, Tories, Labour, Lib-dems, SNP, it's hard to make your mind up which one is the worst.
It only gets worse, because if Labour do win the next GE, I've said this, and I'll say it again, Starmer will be kicked out in less than a year, Rayner will be Prime Minister, the Unions will run the Country, and Blair will be bum licking his EU dragging us back in the past, because he can't move one, he's got too much personal interests in the EU.
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Post by borchester on Oct 8, 2023 14:57:41 GMT
If we view the prospect of a Labour Government with dismay it is with good reason. Here is the Deputy Leader, Quite so, perhaps we might ponder on exactly what both are delivering. They are keeping Starmer as leader of the Labour party.
The Welsh are an affable lot and will forgive Dreary Drakeford most things. And when it comes to Angela Rayner, who is going to topple Sir Stodge to make way for her ?
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 8, 2023 15:14:35 GMT
It's not good news for the Tories that the SNP are failing, because it gives Labour a boost, I don't think politically (in my time) we have been left with such dire political choices, Tories, Labour, Lib-dems, SNP, it's hard to make your mind up which one is the worst.
It only gets worse, because if Labour do win the next GE, I've said this, and I'll say it again, Starmer will be kicked out in less than a year, Rayner will be Prime Minister, the Unions will run the Country, and Blair will be bum licking his EU dragging us back in the past, because he can't move one, he's got too much personal interests in the EU.
Really? You don't remember when the choice was Corbyn or Boris? Boris landslide victory just showed how bad Labour were, nothing has changed in Labour, sunak will not be getting a landslide victory. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 8, 2023 15:22:45 GMT
It's not good news for the Tories that the SNP are failing, because it gives Labour a boost, I don't think politically (in my time) we have been left with such dire political choices, Tories, Labour, Lib-dems, SNP, it's hard to make your mind up which one is the worst.
It only gets worse, because if Labour do win the next GE, I've said this, and I'll say it again, Starmer will be kicked out in less than a year, Rayner will be Prime Minister, the Unions will run the Country, and Blair will be bum licking his EU dragging us back in the past, because he can't move one, he's got too much personal interests in the EU.
Really? You don't remember when the choice was Corbyn or Boris? Don't you mean blair and Boris? |
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Post by borchester on Oct 8, 2023 15:32:59 GMT
Really? You don't remember when the choice was Corbyn or Boris? Don't you mean blair and Boris? Rishi has a plan to stop school children smoking behind the bicycle sheds, which cannot help but result in a landslide victory for the Tories |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 8, 2023 15:50:53 GMT
Don't you mean blair and Boris? Rishi has a plan to stop school children smoking behind the bicycle sheds, which cannot help but result in a landslide victory for the Tories Sunak threw a curve ball on that one. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 8, 2023 15:55:29 GMT
Well that is your opinion. Mine is that climate change is very serious and needs action. That the cost of not changing is in the end more expensive than the cost of giving the people what they want short term. But lets say Starmer gave the people what they want on taxes. A sizeable cut. Hooray vote for this guy. Oh wait a minute, what do you mean my hip operation is no longer free on the NHS and my teeth call fall out if I don't pay my dentist £200 quid. What the people want and what they need are rarely the same. Well maybe you'd get your hip operation if the fuckin lefties stop wasting our NHS cash, on woke snowflake virtue signalling shit.
Overall, according to a set of Freedom of Information requests submitted by the Taxpayers' Alliance last October, NHS England employs 800 diversity and inclusion officers, at a cost of £40 million a year.
I suggest you take this matter up with your lefties, because if they get in you'll never see the inside of a NHS hospital and dentists wont exist.
We haven't even got those figures for Wales and Scotland, that's just 'England'.
God, so predictable. 1, The tax payers alliance, sigh 2, Diversity manager is not a full time position its a responsibility of managers 3, £40 million wouldn't touch the sides 4, AND SO EFFIN OBVIOUS ITS CRINGING. THE TORIES HAVE BEEN IN POWER FOR 13 YEARS OF DIVERSITY MANAGERS. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 8, 2023 15:56:47 GMT
Well that is your opinion. Mine is that climate change is very serious and needs action. That the cost of not changing is in the end more expensive than the cost of giving the people what they want short term. But lets say Starmer gave the people what they want on taxes. A sizeable cut. Hooray vote for this guy. Oh wait a minute, what do you mean my hip operation is no longer free on the NHS and my teeth call fall out if I don't pay my dentist £200 quid. What the people want and what they need are rarely the same. What the climate requires is protection from the nut Zero brigade. FFS even many of the so called scientist who insisted that he climate required saving are now distancing themselves from this total bullshit of nut Zero. Wake up and smell the coffee Zany you are looking for a non existent problem. Which scientists are saying we don't need net zero? |
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Post by borchester on Oct 8, 2023 16:01:26 GMT
Rishi has a plan to stop school children smoking behind the bicycle sheds, which cannot help but result in a landslide victory for the Tories Sunak threw a curve ball on that one. He was certainly talking balls.
Whatever possessed little Rikki-tikki-tavi to think that a ban on smoking was any sort of election winner?
I imagine that the Tories will get slaughtered at the next general election and Suella Braverman or Boris Johnson will be the next party leader. But Rishi really is a no hoper
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 8, 2023 16:06:58 GMT
Sunak threw a curve ball on that one. He was certainly talking balls.
Whatever possessed little Rikki-tikki-tavi to think that a ban on smoking was any sort of election winner?
I imagine that the Tories will get slaughtered at the next general election and Suella Braverman or Boris Johnson will be the next party leader. But Rishi really is a no hoper
I agree, no one is denying smoking is bad for you, but to make it a Tory party pledge at a Tory conference, when voters want to hear about, the cost of living crisis, high inflation, rising mortgages and rents, energy bill hikes, illegal migrants, the war in Ukraine, COVID ... I think smoking would have been right down the list of the things to do 'right now', and gave the impression it was diversionary tactics aimed at avoiding those issues. ^^ |
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