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Post by see2 on Oct 30, 2023 20:00:03 GMT
So basically your definition of poverty in the UK today is having to be as poor as people living 100 of so years ago? There are people in the UK today going hungry, I've personally met some of them. "In the UK, an estimated 14.5 million people are living in poverty, which represents 22% of the population. Of these, 4.3 million are children. According to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (2022), for the last 25 years, children have been the demographic most affected by poverty." igpp.org.uk/event/Tackling-Child-Poverty-2023/Happyhornet, you are confusing abject poverty with relative poverty. Many people in this country still remember abject poverty which was largely eradicated with the 1950's & 60's slum clearances. What you describe is relative poverty which is light years away from abject poverty. More than one billion people worldwide live on less than $1 a day, this is real poverty. No one in this country recognises that level of deprivation. Christ if I knew someone who was living under a piece of canvas I'd take them in myself but the only people in this country who live like that are ex forces and who gives a fuck about them. People who have a modest roof over their head and live on benefits may be poor but being poor is not an excuse to rob, mug and loot. ------------------------------------------------------------ Red. If its your family living in the deprived state of relative poverty, you have real cause to be discontent with the situation. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 30, 2023 20:25:06 GMT
Happyhornet, you are confusing abject poverty with relative poverty. Many people in this country still remember abject poverty which was largely eradicated with the 1950's & 60's slum clearances. What you describe is relative poverty which is light years away from abject poverty. More than one billion people worldwide live on less than $1 a day, this is real poverty. No one in this country recognises that level of deprivation. Christ if I knew someone who was living under a piece of canvas I'd take them in myself but the only people in this country who live like that are ex forces and who gives a fuck about them. People who have a modest roof over their head and live on benefits may be poor but being poor is not an excuse to rob, mug and loot. ------------------------------------------------------------ Red. If its your family living in the deprived state of relative poverty, you have real cause to be discontent with the situation. He may well have discontent with that relative poverty but there seems to be an assumption that that relative poverty is in no way his fault. Quite often it is the result of bad decisions both in the past and the present. Plus some of it is now the fault of net zero seeking. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 31, 2023 4:25:30 GMT
Red. If its your family living in the deprived state of relative poverty, you have real cause to be discontent with the situation. see2, I know what it's like. My dad died in 1963 when I was four, leaving my pregnant mum with me my little brother and my yet to be born sister. Belive me life was tough, the social safety nets that people today take for granted didn't exist. Fortunately mum was strong, we had nothing but we didn't know we had nothing because it was the norm. My brother and I could easilly have slipped into crime, the reason we didn't is because mum was strong. She had a big heart but she was very strict. Today the authorities and pampered kids would consider it child cruelty, which is why so many kids today think they're untouchable. I fear for the future of this country. The sad fact is, we need a war to sort out the gender bullshit, the men in dresses, the 21st century US woke ESG bollox. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 8:00:34 GMT
Here is a good one for Black History Month - we are supposed to celebrate as a 'Black Briton' someone who was not either Black nor British...  |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 31, 2023 14:33:35 GMT
Do you think it is just a coincidence that: "Recorded crime in London is more prevalent in the neighbourhoods with the highest levels of income deprivation: Overall, 52% more crimes were recorded in the most income-deprived areas in 2022 Violence, robbery and sexual offences are 2.1 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10% Drugs and weapons offences are 2.3 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10%." trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/As someone who has done volunteer work in this area I can assure you poverty very much does still exist in this country. Just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening. As to Rod Liddle, in 2012, Liddle wrote in his Spectator column that the one thing stopping him from becoming a teacher was “I could not remotely conceive of not trying to shag the kids.” www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/rod-liddle-defends-suns-reporting-of-huw-edwards-story-352600/You do not understand the meaning of poverty and depravation. Some people are poor, some people rely on foodbanks but if you want to see poverty and depravation have a look at the history of the east end, the Birmingham slums, people in Lancashire and South Wales lived in terrible poverty and died young. Anyone who thinks poverty and depravation exists in 21st century UK needs to read Orwell, in particular, 'The Road to Wigan Pier' it's heartbreaking. No one today (In this country) lives in poverty. You are attempting to make excuses for a small feral minority who thanks to trendy US fads like BLM and woke consider themselves to be above the law. The official definition of borderline poverty in the UK is an income below of 60% of the median income in the UK (ie below circa £16500 pa is defined as poverty - the benefit cap ,which isnt applied when any disability or alphabet letters after kids names are involved, is far higher than this ) |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 31, 2023 16:17:36 GMT
Red. If its your family living in the deprived state of relative poverty, you have real cause to be discontent with the situation. see2, I know what it's like. My dad died in 1963 when I was four, leaving my pregnant mum with me my little brother and my yet to be born sister. Belive me life was tough, the social safety nets that people today take for granted didn't exist. Fortunately mum was strong, we had nothing but we didn't know we had nothing because it was the norm. My brother and I could easilly have slipped into crime, the reason we didn't is because mum was strong. She had a big heart but she was very strict. Today the authorities and pampered kids would consider it child cruelty, which is why so many kids today think they're untouchable. I fear for the future of this country. The sad fact is, we need a war to sort out the gender bullshit, the men in dresses, the 21st century US woke ESG bollox. Relative to the UK at the time I grew up poor too and worked my way up out of it. As a result I often gave people "pull yourself up by your bootstraps, I did it why can't you?" type lectures until I realised that my assumption that my experience of poverty was the same as everyone else's was narrow minded and somewhat arrogant. That plus I did what I did in a world that no longer exists, my experience of poverty is like my experience of clubbing, decades out of date and no relevance to the subject today. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 17:26:50 GMT
It certainly is...  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 17:43:51 GMT
Here is a good one for Black History Month - we are supposed to celebrate as a 'Black Briton' someone who was not either Black nor British... It's insulting for all parties. |
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Post by patman post on Oct 31, 2023 20:40:28 GMT
It certainly is... Welsh history is the pits…! |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2023 12:27:16 GMT
Nope. The facts say that non white people are more likely to offend and get caught . Why didn't you address the point made in the post you 'replied' to? I did. You are just not intelligent enough to realise it. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 17:15:25 GMT
Why didn't you address the point made in the post you 'replied' to? I did. You are just not intelligent enough to realise it. No you didn't, you're an idiot, and obviously not intelligent enough to realise it. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2023 17:18:43 GMT
I did. You are just not intelligent enough to realise it. No you didn't, you're an idiot, and obviously not intelligent enough to realise it. Ah, you managed projection and mirror posting in the same sentence . Give yourself a prize .👍 |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 21:41:34 GMT
Red. If its your family living in the deprived state of relative poverty, you have real cause to be discontent with the situation. see2, I know what it's like. My dad died in 1963 when I was four, leaving my pregnant mum with me my little brother and my yet to be born sister. Belive me life was tough, the social safety nets that people today take for granted didn't exist. Fortunately mum was strong, we had nothing but we didn't know we had nothing because it was the norm. My brother and I could easilly have slipped into crime, the reason we didn't is because mum was strong. She had a big heart but she was very strict. Today the authorities and pampered kids would consider it child cruelty, which is why so many kids today think they're untouchable. I fear for the future of this country. The sad fact is, we need a war to sort out the gender bullshit, the men in dresses, the 21st century US woke ESG bollox. In my experience the problem is not so much pampered kids, it is the fact that kids need to feel connected to their parents especially to their mother. The sensory system is learning all the time especially during childhood. It is actually aware and learning during the last 3 months in the womb. The child born already has a sensory awareness of the mother. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2023 21:47:58 GMT
'My neck of the woods'! I wouldn't describe Burton upon Trent as 'my' neck of the woods. I don't think I've ever been there, although at 35 or maybe 40 miles away I suppose it could be described as relitively close. I would dearly love to know what huge contribution the African-Caribbean community have made in Burton upon Trent or indeed to East Staffordshire. As I said, this is nothing more than blatant virtue signalling nonsense. Woke types who promote this rubbish are the sort of weak and feeble people who insist the Emperor was finely clothed. Black people helped to defend us against the Nazis, and many helped to rebuild our economy and our infrastructure after the war. The Russians helped to defeat the Nazis far more than black people. Black peoples need a history month all to themselves because they came here and got a job? What complete nonsense . |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 21:52:12 GMT
No you didn't, you're an idiot, and obviously not intelligent enough to realise it. Ah, you managed projection and mirror posting in the same sentence . Give yourself a prize .👍 I got it right again. The post you replied to' -- "No, I'm saying that the facts suggests BAME people are more likely to receive custodial sentences for the same offence". i.e. about custodial sentences. Your reply -- "Nope. The facts say that non white people are more likely to offend and get caught" . i.e. about offending and getting caught. Two different subjects. Hence my question. |
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