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Post by Bentley on Oct 30, 2023 8:58:23 GMT
It depends on where, when and how the research was conducted. As I said in the big cities then the chances are there will be at least a few black and Asian people making those judgements and we know that racism exists between those two groups to a greater degree as the Lozelles and the London riots demonstrated. A Sihk group could guard their area with Swords, knives and baseball bats, white blokes with just beer cans were troublemakers. So yes racism exists all over the place but do not blame it all on whitey. In the 2001 riots it was not a white group that barricaded an Asian group in a working man's club and set it on fire, it was an Asian group that barricaded white people in a club and set it on fire. Even if a small number of discriminatory employers were ethnic minorities that wouldn't change the fact that the evidence points towards ethnic minorities facing discrimination in the UK job market. No it doesn’t . |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 30, 2023 9:53:15 GMT
View Attachment The statue is of an ancestor of mine, she was called Sophia Constable, and she was the youngest ever inmate of Northallerton Prison in North Yorkshire. At the age of 12 she was jailed for stealing a loaf of bread, because she was hungry, because she lived in poverty. Remember: Where theres poverty, you will always find crime My ancestor Winnie was hanged for witchcraft in 1607 . Remember . Where’s there’s black cats and spells, you will always find crime |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 30, 2023 10:07:54 GMT
Even if a small number of discriminatory employers were ethnic minorities that wouldn't change the fact that the evidence points towards ethnic minorities facing discrimination in the UK job market. No it doesn’t . If you're going to deny factual evidence and observeable reality then there is no point in continuing to debate the subject any further with you. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 30, 2023 10:10:34 GMT
If you're going to deny factual evidence and observeable reality then there is no point in continuing to debate the subject any further with you. You haven’t provided factual evidence . You have provided the results of a selection process and insist that you’re explanation is factual. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 10:33:28 GMT
I'd say they're just BLM trolls, Bentley. They answer nothing and just repeat the same thing and waste everyone's time.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2023 10:37:38 GMT
'Black History Month' LOL, this is woke virtue signalling on an epic scale. [snipped]
One beauty of Black History Month is enjoying how is pisses some people off while it affects them not one jot… Well yes, you're quite right pat it does piss me off while not affecting me one jot. The reason it doesn't affect me is because I'm not an inexperienced, impressionable and naive 'young' person. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2023 11:37:09 GMT
I think this post of yours makes a very strong argument for the need to teach black history. RE: knife crime, Akala addresses this issue very well: "Rapper and activist Akala has said that Britain’s rising knife crime rates are due to poverty and lack of education, not race. The 35-year-old author told Channel 4 News that racial explanations for gang crime are a “way out for the powers that be in society”. “It’s revealing that what happens in London is black-on-black crime,” he said, “but what happens in Glasgow – race is not important”. There are 1.2 million black people in London, in a bad year 50 of them will kill someone, that’s less than 0.004 per cent of that population.” He continued: “Just to contrast, in a bad year in Glasgow – say 2005 – there were 40 murders. There were only 600,000 people in Glasgow. “So that year a Glaswegian – as a whole – was twice as likely to be killed as a black Londoner.” Poverty, domestic abuse, lack of education – so expulsion from school. For example, almost half the people in prison today in Britain were expelled from school as children, versus just one per cent of the population as a whole.” The issue of knife crime and youth gang violence is, he went on, not a new phenomena, but rather a trend of that has continued for two centuries." Get a grip you daft sod. You claim that 'Rapper and activist' Akala has said that Britain’s rising knife crime rates are due to poverty! That is the biggest minority appeasing politically correct excuse of all time. Do you honestly believe the mob of young black feral thugs who looted and trashed a McDonalds in Nottigham did so because they were starving? Or the gangs of young black feral thugs who organise mass lootings on Facebook & TikTok, are starving? If you honestly belive this is anything other than trendy lawless criminality, then you're a bloody fool. Poverty is being used to excuse criminality. People in this country have not lived in poverty since the slum clearances. Yes I know some people struggle to make ends meet, but looting a wheelie bin full of beer has nothing to do with poverty. Today people have very different values to those of 50 years ago. Someone may use a foodbank but will still have an iphone, a 60 inch flat screen TV on the wall and wear the latest Nikeys which may or may not have been looted from a raid on a local JD Sports. Black crime particularly black gun crime became so serious in London that in 1998 the Met Police set up Operation Trident specifically to combat crime in the black community. The reason Op Trident was later extended to Birmingham and Manchester was because black crime was also a problem in those cities, although I suppose it may have been because people were starving. I say again: As former BBC journalist Rod Liddle famously said ... The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. In return for all this crime, the black community has given Britain 'rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks'.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2023 12:24:02 GMT
What does 'people of colour' mean? Are you so painfully woke that you cant utter the word 'black' or 'brown'? Why is a Pakistani cricketer who accuses a team mate of a racial slur, nine years previously, immediately taken very seriously. Yet a white rugby player who accuses a black player of a racial slur minutes ago is ignored? People of colour, not just Black people sometimes suffer racism. And some people referred to as Black are anything but Black, they are of mixed race. Please shove 'your woke' back where it comes from, where the sun don't shine. Picking isolated cases in order to avoid facing a problem that actually exists, is bias, not debate. My son applied to join the police and was told 'all places for white entrants have been taken'. He was invited to reapply in two years time, he wasn't even given an interview. He was rejected because he had white skin. Would you describe this as racism? |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 30, 2023 12:38:56 GMT
I think this post of yours makes a very strong argument for the need to teach black history. RE: knife crime, Akala addresses this issue very well: "Rapper and activist Akala has said that Britain’s rising knife crime rates are due to poverty and lack of education, not race. The 35-year-old author told Channel 4 News that racial explanations for gang crime are a “way out for the powers that be in society”. “It’s revealing that what happens in London is black-on-black crime,” he said, “but what happens in Glasgow – race is not important”. There are 1.2 million black people in London, in a bad year 50 of them will kill someone, that’s less than 0.004 per cent of that population.” He continued: “Just to contrast, in a bad year in Glasgow – say 2005 – there were 40 murders. There were only 600,000 people in Glasgow. “So that year a Glaswegian – as a whole – was twice as likely to be killed as a black Londoner.” Poverty, domestic abuse, lack of education – so expulsion from school. For example, almost half the people in prison today in Britain were expelled from school as children, versus just one per cent of the population as a whole.” The issue of knife crime and youth gang violence is, he went on, not a new phenomena, but rather a trend of that has continued for two centuries." Get a grip you daft sod. You claim that 'Rapper and activist' Akala has said that Britain’s rising knife crime rates are due to poverty! That is the biggest minority appeasing politically correct excuse of all time. Do you honestly believe the mob of young black feral thugs who looted and trashed a McDonalds in Nottigham did so because they were starving? Or the gangs of young black feral thugs who organise mass lootings on Facebook & TikTok, are starving? If you honestly belive this is anything other than trendy lawless criminality, then you're a bloody fool. Poverty is being used to excuse criminality. People in this country have not lived in poverty since the slum clearances. Yes I know some people struggle to make ends meet, but looting a wheelie bin full of beer has nothing to do with poverty. Today people have very different values to those of 50 years ago. Someone may use a foodbank but will still have an iphone, a 60 inch flat screen TV on the wall and wear the latest Nikeys which may or may not have been looted from a raid on a local JD Sports. Black crime particularly black gun crime became so serious in London that in 1998 the Met Police set up Operation Trident specifically to combat crime in the black community. The reason Op Trident was later extended to Birmingham and Manchester was because black crime was also a problem in those cities, although I suppose it may have been because people were starving. I say again: As former BBC journalist Rod Liddle famously said ... The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. In return for all this crime, the black community has given Britain 'rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks'.
Do you think it is just a coincidence that: "Recorded crime in London is more prevalent in the neighbourhoods with the highest levels of income deprivation: Overall, 52% more crimes were recorded in the most income-deprived areas in 2022 Violence, robbery and sexual offences are 2.1 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10% Drugs and weapons offences are 2.3 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10%." trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/As someone who has done volunteer work in this area I can assure you poverty very much does still exist in this country. Just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening. As to Rod Liddle, in 2012, Liddle wrote in his Spectator column that the one thing stopping him from becoming a teacher was “I could not remotely conceive of not trying to shag the kids.” www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/rod-liddle-defends-suns-reporting-of-huw-edwards-story-352600/ |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2023 13:10:10 GMT
Do you think it is just a coincidence that: "Recorded crime in London is more prevalent in the neighbourhoods with the highest levels of income deprivation: Overall, 52% more crimes were recorded in the most income-deprived areas in 2022 Violence, robbery and sexual offences are 2.1 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10% Drugs and weapons offences are 2.3 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10%." trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/As someone who has done volunteer work in this area I can assure you poverty very much does still exist in this country. Just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening. As to Rod Liddle, in 2012, Liddle wrote in his Spectator column that the one thing stopping him from becoming a teacher was “I could not remotely conceive of not trying to shag the kids.” www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/rod-liddle-defends-suns-reporting-of-huw-edwards-story-352600/You do not understand the meaning of poverty and depravation. Some people are poor, some people rely on foodbanks but if you want to see poverty and depravation have a look at the history of the east end, the Birmingham slums, people in Lancashire and South Wales lived in terrible poverty and died young. Anyone who thinks poverty and depravation exists in 21st century UK needs to read Orwell, in particular, 'The Road to Wigan Pier' it's heartbreaking. No one today (In this country) lives in poverty. You are attempting to make excuses for a small feral minority who thanks to trendy US fads like BLM and woke consider themselves to be above the law. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 30, 2023 13:23:05 GMT
Do you think it is just a coincidence that: "Recorded crime in London is more prevalent in the neighbourhoods with the highest levels of income deprivation: Overall, 52% more crimes were recorded in the most income-deprived areas in 2022 Violence, robbery and sexual offences are 2.1 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10% Drugs and weapons offences are 2.3 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10%." trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/As someone who has done volunteer work in this area I can assure you poverty very much does still exist in this country. Just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening. As to Rod Liddle, in 2012, Liddle wrote in his Spectator column that the one thing stopping him from becoming a teacher was “I could not remotely conceive of not trying to shag the kids.” www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/rod-liddle-defends-suns-reporting-of-huw-edwards-story-352600/You do not understand the meaning of poverty and depravation. Some people are poor, some people rely on foodbanks but if you want to see poverty and depravation have a look at the history of the east end, the Birmingham slums, people in Lancashire and South Wales lived in terrible poverty and died young. Anyone who thinks poverty and depravation exists in 21st century UK needs to read Orwell, in particular, 'The Road to Wigan Pier' it's heartbreaking. No one today (In this country) lives in poverty. You are attempting to make excuses for a small feral minority who thanks to trendy US fads like BLM and woke consider themselves to be above the law. So basically your definition of poverty in the UK today is having to be as poor as people living 100 of so years ago? There are people in the UK today going hungry, I've personally met some of them. "In the UK, an estimated 14.5 million people are living in poverty, which represents 22% of the population. Of these, 4.3 million are children. According to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (2022), for the last 25 years, children have been the demographic most affected by poverty." igpp.org.uk/event/Tackling-Child-Poverty-2023/ |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2023 14:00:59 GMT
You do not understand the meaning of poverty and depravation. Some people are poor, some people rely on foodbanks but if you want to see poverty and depravation have a look at the history of the east end, the Birmingham slums, people in Lancashire and South Wales lived in terrible poverty and died young. Anyone who thinks poverty and depravation exists in 21st century UK needs to read Orwell, in particular, 'The Road to Wigan Pier' it's heartbreaking. No one today (In this country) lives in poverty. You are attempting to make excuses for a small feral minority who thanks to trendy US fads like BLM and woke consider themselves to be above the law. So basically your definition of poverty in the UK today is having to be as poor as people living 100 of so years ago? There are people in the UK today going hungry, I've personally met some of them. "In the UK, an estimated 14.5 million people are living in poverty, which represents 22% of the population. Of these, 4.3 million are children. According to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (2022), for the last 25 years, children have been the demographic most affected by poverty." igpp.org.uk/event/Tackling-Child-Poverty-2023/Happyhornet, you are confusing abject poverty with relative poverty. Many people in this country still remember abject poverty which was largely eradicated with the 1950's & 60's slum clearances. What you describe is relative poverty which is light years away from abject poverty. More than one billion people worldwide live on less than $1 a day, this is real poverty. No one in this country recognises that level of deprivation. Christ if I knew someone who was living under a piece of canvas I'd take them in myself but the only people in this country who live like that are ex forces and who gives a fuck about them. People who have a modest roof over their head and live on benefits may be poor but being poor is not an excuse to rob, mug and loot. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 30, 2023 15:20:54 GMT
So basically your definition of poverty in the UK today is having to be as poor as people living 100 of so years ago? There are people in the UK today going hungry, I've personally met some of them. "In the UK, an estimated 14.5 million people are living in poverty, which represents 22% of the population. Of these, 4.3 million are children. According to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (2022), for the last 25 years, children have been the demographic most affected by poverty." igpp.org.uk/event/Tackling-Child-Poverty-2023/Happyhornet, you are confusing abject poverty with relative poverty. Many people in this country still remember abject poverty which was largely eradicated with the 1950's & 60's slum clearances. What you describe is relative poverty which is light years away from abject poverty. More than one billion people worldwide live on less than $1 a day, this is real poverty. No one in this country recognises that level of deprivation. Christ if I knew someone who was living under a piece of canvas I'd take them in myself but the only people in this country who live like that are ex forces and who gives a fuck about them. People who have a modest roof over their head and live on benefits may be poor but being poor is not an excuse to rob, mug and loot. "New research from Shelter shows at least 271,000 people are recorded as homeless in England, including 123,000 children." england.shelter.org.uk/media/press_release/at_least_271000_people_are_homeless_in_england_today#:~:text=Posted%2011%20Jan%202023&text=New%20research%20from%20Shelter%20shows,England%20are%20without%20a%20home. I'm not saying poverty is an excuse to commit crime. I am saying that the facts illustrate a correlation between poverty and crime however uncomfortable that may make us feel. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 30, 2023 16:20:32 GMT
If you're going to deny factual evidence and observeable reality then there is no point in continuing to debate the subject any further with you. You haven’t provided factual evidence . You have provided the results of a selection process and insist that you’re explanation is factual. It is the conclusions one draws from factual evidence. That conclusion is ethnic minorities face discrimination in the jobs market and whitey is to blame. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 30, 2023 19:49:06 GMT
No, I'm saying that the facts suggests BAME people are more likely to receive custodial sentences for the same offence. Nope. The facts say that non white people are more likely to offend and get caught . Why didn't you address the point made in the post you 'replied' to? |
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