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Post by ratcliff on Oct 29, 2023 18:53:56 GMT
Prison inmates are criminals who were caught and convicted, your survey is about subjective opinion of those inmates who were caught , nothing objective about it , are you trying to claim that prison inmates are representative of all those who commit crimes? "The vast majority of prisoners in Scotland are from poor socio-economic backgrounds" That's not opinion that's fact. Vast majority? How many exactly (your subjective survey runs away) How can you miss the subjective giveaway bit in your survey According to the Scottish Prison Service 17th Prisoner Survey (carried out in 2019), prisoners identified many factors that they felt contributed to their committing an offence You link a BBC bitesize site - that's the equivalent of the ''dummies'' books |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 18:56:42 GMT
"The vast majority of prisoners in Scotland are from poor socio-economic backgrounds" That's not opinion that's fact. Vast majority? How many exactly (your subjective survey runs away) How can you miss the subjective giveaway bit in your survey According to the Scottish Prison Service 17th Prisoner Survey (carried out in 2019), prisoners identified many factors that they felt contributed to their committing an offence You link a BBC bitesize site - that's the equivalent of the ''dummies'' books I pointed that out . He just ignores the stuff that doesn’t fit his own prejudice . How ironic . Me ..”Indeed prisoners would blame any other reason but themselves”. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 29, 2023 19:04:23 GMT
There is racism in every society and in every group in society. Discrimination of some sort is the natural way of all humans for good reason as it has been an aid to survival for eons. I would be interested in teh statistical data and how it was obtained. Nobody is born prejudiced, it's learnt behaviour and can be unlearned As per statistics, if we start with employment according to the ONS black people in Britain are twice as likely to be unemployed as white people: www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latestThis partly explains this I think: "British citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds have to send, on average, 60% more job applications to get a positive response from employers compared to their white counterparts, according to researchers at Nuffield College's Centre for Social Investigation (CSI). Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.com/news/uk-46927417Another example is healthcare outcomes, "Black women in UK four times more likely to die in pregnancy and childbirth" www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/11/black-women-uk-maternal-mortality-ratesPeople are born with an innate ability to assess the connectedness of themselves to any kin and its level of similar genes. This is true for most animal groups especially those with social habits. Unconscious selection occurs as programmed by the genes that direct that selection in order to protect the same genes. I have seen these stats before and what is interesting it is unknown who was doing the selecting. It is assumed it is white people but the chances are 20% would be South Asian or black and in fact if in some of the big cities that increases significantly. As regards Black Women and pregnancy then Obesity is a defined risk factor and Obesity in black women is higher. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 19:53:15 GMT
"The vast majority of prisoners in Scotland are from poor socio-economic backgrounds" That's not opinion that's fact. Vast majority? How many exactly (your subjective survey runs away) How can you miss the subjective giveaway bit in your survey According to the Scottish Prison Service 17th Prisoner Survey (carried out in 2019), prisoners identified many factors that they felt contributed to their committing an offence You link a BBC bitesize site - that's the equivalent of the ''dummies'' books What the prisoners felt were factors was subjective. That most were from poorer areas was fact. Furthermore: Recorded crime in London is more prevalent in the neighbourhoods with the highest levels of income deprivation: "Overall, 52% more crimes were recorded in the most income-deprived areas in 2022 Violence, robbery and sexual offences are 2.1 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10% Drugs and weapons offences are 2.3 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10%." trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/#:~:text=Overall%2C%2052%25%20more%20crimes%20were,the%20least%20income%2Ddeprived%2010%25 |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 19:55:01 GMT
People are born with an innate ability to assess the connectedness of themselves to any kin and its level of similar genes. This is true for most animal groups especially those with social habits. Unconscious selection occurs as programmed by the genes that direct that selection in order to protect the same genes. I have seen these stats before and what is interesting it is unknown who was doing the selecting. It is assumed it is white people but the chances are 20% would be South Asian or black and in fact if in some of the big cities that increases significantly. As regards Black Women and pregnancy then Obesity is a defined risk factor and Obesity in black women is higher. If there is prejudice in the job market as indicated then it stands to reason that ethnic minorities will be underepreseted in management positions so likely to make up a small number of those doing the selecting. I don't think obesity would fully explain the outcomes. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 19:56:47 GMT
But that's still prejudice. You yourself have admitted it. Then any application that is not successful is subject to prejudice . As I said employers might be merely pragmatic . I don't think it follows that every rejection is due to prejudice and even if prejudice were motivated by pragmatism it would still be prejudice. So we're agreed prejudice exists in the UK job market yes? |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 19:59:51 GMT
"Recorded crime in London is more prevalent in the neighbourhoods with the highest levels of income deprivation: Overall, 52% more crimes were recorded in the most income-deprived areas in 2022 Violence, robbery and sexual offences are 2.1 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10% Drugs and weapons offences are 2.3 times more prevalent in the most income-deprived 10% of areas compared to the least income-deprived 10%." trustforlondon.org.uk/data/crime-and-income-deprivation/Poverty isn’t the prime motivator. Thars obvious because if it was most or all of the poor would be criminals. Drugs, fatherless family and a sense of victimhood ..all encouraged by lefties would be more relevant. Corruption , violent and sexual crime occurs in the police service . Are police poor ? Are all drug dealers poor? Do they stop dealing drugs when they stop being poor ? Most drownings occur in water . Is water to blame for drownings . I’m using your debate method here. Water is a factor in 100% of drownings, are you saying it's not? The factual evidence points towards a very clear correlation between poverty and crime. I didn't want to accept it either at one time, but I realise now that was an emotional reaction on my part, the facts speak for themselves. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 20:12:14 GMT
Then any application that is not successful is subject to prejudice . As I said employers might be merely pragmatic . I don't think it follows that every rejection is due to prejudice and even if prejudice were motivated by pragmatism it would still be prejudice. So we're agreed prejudice exists in the UK job market yes? No. Only if any application that us not successful is subject to prejudice . If that is not true then your claim is false . You are claiming that black people are not to be subject to the same selection process as white people. That is racist and discriminating…yes? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 20:16:40 GMT
Poverty isn’t the prime motivator. Thars obvious because if it was most or all of the poor would be criminals. Drugs, fatherless family and a sense of victimhood ..all encouraged by lefties would be more relevant. Corruption , violent and sexual crime occurs in the police service . Are police poor ? Are all drug dealers poor? Do they stop dealing drugs when they stop being poor ? Most drownings occur in water . Is water to blame for drownings . I’m using your debate method here. Water is a factor in 100% of drownings, are you saying it's not? The factual evidence points towards a very clear correlation between poverty and crime. I didn't want to accept it either at one time, but I realise now that was an emotional reaction on my part, the facts speak for themselves. So water is responsible and the problem is solved by focusing on water ,yes? If black people have a higher percentage of prisoners pro rata then the problem lies with black people, right ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 20:17:36 GMT
I don't think it follows that every rejection is due to prejudice and even if prejudice were motivated by pragmatism it would still be prejudice. So we're agreed prejudice exists in the UK job market yes? No. Only if any application that us not successful is subject to prejudice . If that is not true then your claim is false . You are claiming that black people are not to be subject to the same selection process as white people. That is racist and discriminating…yes? The research indicates that there is racial prejudice in the UK job market. I can't say for certain that every single rejection is due to racial prejudice but I don't follow how every single one would have to be to prove an overall trend. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 20:22:08 GMT
Water is a factor in 100% of drownings, are you saying it's not? The factual evidence points towards a very clear correlation between poverty and crime. I didn't want to accept it either at one time, but I realise now that was an emotional reaction on my part, the facts speak for themselves. So water is responsible and the problem is solved by focusing on water ,yes? If black people have a higher percentage of prisoners pro rata then the problem lies with black people, right ? I never said that water was the problem I said it was a factor. Ethnicity does seem to be a factor in custodial sentencing: "BAME offenders ‘far more likely than others’ to be jailed for drug offences" www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/15/bame-offenders-most-likely-to-be-jailed-for-drug-offences-research-reveals |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 20:23:28 GMT
No. Only if any application that us not successful is subject to prejudice . If that is not true then your claim is false . You are claiming that black people are not to be subject to the same selection process as white people. That is racist and discriminating…yes? The research indicates that there is racial prejudice in the UK job market. I can't say for certain that every single rejection is due to racial prejudice but I don't follow how every single one would have to be to prove an overall trend. The researcher indicated that employers use the same method of selecting candidates in both black and white applicants . To make initial assumptions from the start from experience in the past . |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 20:25:08 GMT
The research indicates that there is racial prejudice in the UK job market. I can't say for certain that every single rejection is due to racial prejudice but I don't follow how every single one would have to be to prove an overall trend. The researcher indicated that employers use the same method of selecting candidates in both black and white applicants . To make initial assumptions from the start from experience in the past . Sorry you've lost me here. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 20:25:15 GMT
So you are saying that ethnicity is a primary factor in criminality? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 20:27:13 GMT
The researcher indicated that employers use the same method of selecting candidates in both black and white applicants . To make initial assumptions from the start from experience in the past . Sorry you've lost me here. I’ll make it simple . Employers are not prejudice towards non white ethnic groups any more than they are to white people. |
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