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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 17:59:54 GMT
If one looks at the facts there is pretty compelling evidence for racism in our society. If I were to present you with statistical data to this effect would you reconsider your position? There is racism in every society and in every group in society. Discrimination of some sort is the natural way of all humans for good reason as it has been an aid to survival for eons. I would be interested in teh statistical data and how it was obtained. Nobody is born prejudiced, it's learnt behaviour and can be unlearned As per statistics, if we start with employment according to the ONS black people in Britain are twice as likely to be unemployed as white people: www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latestThis partly explains this I think: "British citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds have to send, on average, 60% more job applications to get a positive response from employers compared to their white counterparts, according to researchers at Nuffield College's Centre for Social Investigation (CSI). Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.com/news/uk-46927417Another example is healthcare outcomes, "Black women in UK four times more likely to die in pregnancy and childbirth" www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/11/black-women-uk-maternal-mortality-rates |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 18:00:46 GMT
If one looks at the facts there is pretty compelling evidence for racism in our society. If I were to present you with statistical data to this effect would you reconsider your position? Racism is an excuse for criminality? Well the group suffering some of the worst racism lately are jews - does that give them a permit to go out and commit crime? I never said racism excuses criminality. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 18:02:42 GMT
Here's an example of a study in Scotland: "The vast majority of prisoners in Scotland are from poor socio-economic backgrounds with underlying causes of offending related to substance misuse, mental health and abuse. The Scottish Prison's Commission has found that around one in nine young men from the most deprived communities will spend time in prison before they are 23 years old. According to the Scottish Prison Service 17th Prisoner Survey (carried out in 2019), prisoners identified many factors that they felt contributed to their committing an offence, some of which relate directly to poverty and deprivation: Unemployment - 16% Financial difficulties - 15% Other factors that are often linked to poverty and deprivation also featured, such as accommodation type, alcohol and drug misuse, neighbourhood, lack of support in the community." www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z87w97h/revision/2Indeed prisoners would blame any other reason but themselves . Well pointed out . Drugs, lack of father figure, sense of hopelessness ie. Victimhood . Of course there is crime in poor communities. There is crime in all communities. Poor people are just less equipped to,get away with it . Corruption and sexual crimes have been identified in the police service . Are police poor ? Are all shop lifters and burglars poor? Are drug dealers poor? Do they stop drug dealing when they stop being poor ? As I said poverty is not the primary cause of criminality. I never said all criminals were poor. I said that there is a clear correlation between poverty and crime. I've heard nothing from you so far that challenges that. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 18:04:35 GMT
There is racism in every society and in every group in society. Discrimination of some sort is the natural way of all humans for good reason as it has been an aid to survival for eons. I would be interested in teh statistical data and how it was obtained. Nobody is born prejudiced, it's learnt behaviour and can be unlearned As per statistics, if we start with employment according to the ONS black people in Britain are twice as likely to be unemployed as white people: www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latestThis partly explains this I think: "British citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds have to send, on average, 60% more job applications to get a positive response from employers compared to their white counterparts, according to researchers at Nuffield College's Centre for Social Investigation (CSI). Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.com/news/uk-46927417Another example is healthcare outcomes, "Black women in UK four times more likely to die in pregnancy and childbirth" www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/11/black-women-uk-maternal-mortality-ratesPossibly became employers know that people from those heritages are less likely to be an asset to the company than other heritages . So white people are killing black mothers ? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 18:07:01 GMT
Racism is an excuse for criminality? Well the group suffering some of the worst racism lately are jews - does that give them a permit to go out and commit crime? I never said racism excuses criminality. So what is the connection between racism and the level of crime?. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 18:07:38 GMT
Indeed prisoners would blame any other reason but themselves . Well pointed out . Drugs, lack of father figure, sense of hopelessness ie. Victimhood . Of course there is crime in poor communities. There is crime in all communities. Poor people are just less equipped to,get away with it . Corruption and sexual crimes have been identified in the police service . Are police poor ? Are all shop lifters and burglars poor? Are drug dealers poor? Do they stop drug dealing when they stop being poor ? As I said poverty is not the primary cause of criminality. I never said all criminals were poor. I said that there is a clear correlation between poverty and crime. I've heard nothing from you so far that challenges that. I’ve heard nothing from you to support your claim . Crime occurs in all levels of society . Poverty is not the primary of criminality . Drugs, lack of father figure, sense of hopelessness ie. Victimhood may be a factor …all supported by white lefties . |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 18:09:05 GMT
Possibly became employers know that people from those heritages are less likely to be an asset to the company than other heritages . So white people are killing black mothers ? "Possibly became employers know that people from those heritages are less likely to be an asset to the company than other heritages" So you agree employers are prejudiced against certain demographic groups? "So white people are killing black mothers" From the link I posted: "An inquiry by the charity Birthrights found that black, brown and mixed ethnicity women reported feeling unsafe, their concerns being ignored or dismissed, denial of pain relief due to racial stereotypes, and pervasive microaggressions causing harm or distress. Their testimony was backed up by healthcare professionals. Amy Gibbs, the chief executive of Birthrights, said: “While there has been a small drop in the maternal mortality rate for black women in recent MBRRACE reports, this bleak picture has not changed in over a decade. We remain deeply concerned that black and brown people’s basic human rights to safety, dignity and equality in pregnancy and childbirth are not being protected, respected or upheld.” |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 29, 2023 18:09:36 GMT
Racism is an excuse for criminality? Well the group suffering some of the worst racism lately are jews - does that give them a permit to go out and commit crime? I never said racism excuses criminality. Unfortunately Black people who have turned to the drug world of gang turf war will fall back on the old 'white people forced us into it'.
They will make out it's the only thing they could do to make money, instead of manning up and saying ... well in fact ... it's dead easy money, we don't have to do fuck all, we just make BIG money out of selling drugs ... who the fuck wants to work..
When they end up in the Courts they'll use their ... 'Big bad white man' defense .... the racist white people wont give us jobs so we have to turn to drug dealing to make a living ..
YEAH fuck off that old chestnut, is a fucking old chestnut.
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 18:10:58 GMT
I never said racism excuses criminality. So what is the connection between racism and the level of crime?. Racism results in less opportunities, making poverty more likely and there is a correlation between poverty and crime. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 18:11:48 GMT
I never said all criminals were poor. I said that there is a clear correlation between poverty and crime. I've heard nothing from you so far that challenges that. I’ve heard nothing from you to support your claim . Crime occurs in all levels of society . Poverty is not the primary of criminality . Drugs, lack of father figure, sense of hopelessness ie. Victimhood may be a factor …all supported by white lefties . I posted a link with a study in Scotland with pretty compelling evidence. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 29, 2023 18:12:39 GMT
I never said racism excuses criminality. Unfortunately Black people who have turned to the drug world of gang turf war will fall back on the old 'white people forced us into it'.
They will make out it's the only thing they could do to make money, instead of manning up and saying ... well in fact ... it's dead easy money, we don't have to do fuck all, we just make BIG money out of selling drugs ... who the fuck wants to work..
When they end up in the Courts they'll use their ... 'Big bad white man' defense .... the racist white people wont give us jobs so we have to turn to drug dealing to make a living ..
YEAH fuck off that old chestnut, is a fucking old chestnut.
So why do some white people deal drugs then? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 29, 2023 18:18:52 GMT
Unfortunately Black people who have turned to the drug world of gang turf war will fall back on the old 'white people forced us into it'.
They will make out it's the only thing they could do to make money, instead of manning up and saying ... well in fact ... it's dead easy money, we don't have to do fuck all, we just make BIG money out of selling drugs ... who the fuck wants to work..
When they end up in the Courts they'll use their ... 'Big bad white man' defense .... the racist white people wont give us jobs so we have to turn to drug dealing to make a living ..
YEAH fuck off that old chestnut, is a fucking old chestnut.
So why do some white people deal drugs then? For the same reason Black people do ........ 'it's dead easy money' why else? ..... its human nature regardless of colour |
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Post by patman post on Oct 29, 2023 18:20:13 GMT
Shame you don’t appear to understand plain English — did I say no one can have an opinion about anything?
But I am interested as to why people get so agitated about things in which they appear to have no direct interest, and I think that can also be a valid, and informative, part of this particular debate… Using that logic, the West and every one around the world should just let Russia/Ukraine/Israel/Palestine wars rage, it doesn't 'directly' effect me, you or many others on this forum ... is that what you are saying? You’re not addressing my point. People have, and express, many opinions on many different topics. I’m interested in why Black History Month assumes enough importance, negatively, in the minds of some on here to get them so agitated. This is because compared to the horror of the killing of innocent men women and children in the “Russia/Ukraine/Israel/Palestine wars”, and the effect these wars are having on other countries, the UK’s Black History Month seems almost parochial… |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 29, 2023 18:24:06 GMT
Does it ? Do you think that rich people are more honest than poor people ? Here's an example of a study in Scotland: "The vast majority of prisoners in Scotland are from poor socio-economic backgrounds with underlying causes of offending related to substance misuse, mental health and abuse. The Scottish Prison's Commission has found that around one in nine young men from the most deprived communities will spend time in prison before they are 23 years old. According to the Scottish Prison Service 17th Prisoner Survey (carried out in 2019), prisoners identified many factors that they felt contributed to their committing an offence, some of which relate directly to poverty and deprivation: Unemployment - 16% Financial difficulties - 15% Other factors that are often linked to poverty and deprivation also featured, such as accommodation type, alcohol and drug misuse, neighbourhood, lack of support in the community." www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z87w97h/revision/2Prison inmates are criminals who were caught and convicted, your survey is about subjective opinion of those inmates who were caught , nothing objective about it , are you trying to claim that prison inmates are representative of all those who commit crimes? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 29, 2023 18:25:59 GMT
So why do some white people deal drugs then? For the same reason Black people do ........ 'it's dead easy money' why else? ..... its human nature regardless of colour The white people will use their old chestnut defence ...... we did it because... ' I didn't get a cuddle when I was little' |
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