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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 12:32:05 GMT
I've not even mentioned critical theory, not once. You used it as your only argument of support. It was taken straight out of the doctrine. I even mentioned that the motivation behind it is based off a negative. The single timeline which we document is not racist, it's non-racist. Sadly, it isn't enough to be non-racist under the theoretical framework that is driving this. One has to be anti-racist (activism). This is exclusive, since under this belief system black people cannot be racist to white people, because they're told they have no power over western institutions, which are all institutionally racist. They can only discriminate. And then with a magic wand the negative driving force becomes a positive discrimination.
Again I haven't made that argument, you're shadow boxing, I'll leave you to it. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2023 12:32:23 GMT
Not really . It’s a matter of perception. A counter narrative will have no effect on the negative contribution of black gangs so why link them ? Teloing the Indians that we gave them civilisation doesnt negate the negative contribution of the British empire You seem determined to argue a point I haven't made, I'll leave you to it. You never made a point. You posted false associations and Whataboutery to support black history month . |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 12:33:09 GMT
You seem determined to argue a point I haven't made, I'll leave you to it. You never made a point. You posted false associations and Whataboutery to support black history month . Ok mate, have a nice day. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2023 12:37:38 GMT
You never made a point. You posted false associations and Whataboutery to support black history month . Ok mate, have a nice day. You seem to have a habit of making series of disjointed non points and claims then claim that you didn’t make them . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 12:39:28 GMT
You used it as your only argument of support. It was taken straight out of the doctrine. I even mentioned that the motivation behind it is based off a negative. The single timeline which we document is not racist, it's non-racist. Sadly, it isn't enough to be non-racist under the theoretical framework that is driving this. One has to be anti-racist (activism). This is exclusive, since under this belief system black people cannot be racist to white people, because they're told they have no power over western institutions, which are all institutionally racist. They can only discriminate. And then with a magic wand the negative driving force becomes a positive discrimination.
Again I haven't made that argument, you're shadow boxing, I'll leave you to it. you: "If as is argued that the contributions of black people have been airbrushed out of history, then that is where the racial division stems from."
me: "It seems to be a leap to go directly to action long before the theoretical "if" has been addressed."
you: "Well no because the people organising would I imagine be convinced it's not an if."
You have been using conjecture as fact all along, and when people ask you for your evidence you offer nothing. When people offer you evidence against you simply tell them you find no reason not to force this agenda.
It's OK, I'll just accept you're not being honest.
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Post by see2 on Oct 28, 2023 19:52:24 GMT
The point about Glasgow is that statistically the citizens of Glasgow were sometimes more violent than Londoners yet only in London, which has a large black population, is the discussion about crime racialised. The same is true of Belfast and Dublin, gang related violence but nobody brings race into the discussion. Nobody has said that BHM would stop crime, I've said it would be a useful counter narrative to people like RR saying black people have contributed nothing at all of value. As I said Whataboutery. Albanian drug gangs took over from the black Yardies in North London during the early 2000s but that doesn’t refute the savagery of the Yardie gangs . So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?It doesn't, it just introduces a breath of fresh air in terms of balance. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2023 20:54:41 GMT
As I said Whataboutery. Albanian drug gangs took over from the black Yardies in North London during the early 2000s but that doesn’t refute the savagery of the Yardie gangs . So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?It doesn't, it just introduces a breath of fresh air in terms of balance. If they want fresh air then they can take a bus to Epping forest . |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 29, 2023 10:23:26 GMT
As I said Whataboutery. Albanian drug gangs took over from the black Yardies in North London during the early 2000s but that doesn’t refute the savagery of the Yardie gangs . So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?It doesn't, it just introduces a breath of fresh air in terms of balance. You cannot make it up as you go along though and call it black history. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 11:01:33 GMT
There are some basic facts which you must accept when studying or discussing Social History
Wherever there is poverty, you will find crime.
Well known causes of poverty are unemployment, low pay and inability to work, but another often overlooked cause is discrimination.
Think about it
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 11:09:04 GMT
There are some basic facts which you must accept when studying or discussing Social History Wherever there is poverty, you will find crime. Well known causes of poverty are unemployment, low pay and inability to work, but another often overlooked cause is discrimination. Think about it If poverty was the main motivator of crime then most poor people would be criminals. Think about it . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 11:35:58 GMT
Demographic population statistics are usually at a ratio of "Per 100,000"
The crime rate in an affluent area is almost always lower than in a poorer, or run down area where poverty is higher, I am simply explaining facts.
For at least 40 years from the first arrivals in large numbers, black people were routinely and frequently discriminated against.This was the number 1 reason as to why most black people were on low pay, lived in poor housing, and why a much higher percentage lived in poverty, as oppossed to white people.
Where there is poverty - you always see higher rates of crime
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 11:58:23 GMT
Demographic population statistics are usually at a ratio of "Per 100,000" The crime rate in an affluent area is almost always lower than in a poorer, or run down area where poverty is higher, I am simply explaining facts. For at least 40 years from the first arrivals in large numbers, black people were routinely and frequently discriminated against.This was the number 1 reason as to why most black people were on low pay, lived in poor housing, and why a much higher percentage lived in poverty, as oppossed to white people. Where there is poverty - you always see higher rates of crime Jews are probably one of the most discriminated ethnic group that ever existed . They have been no stranger to poverty either . Yet they are probably the most successful ethnic group . Did you study the way Jews overcame their oppression and become the success that they now are or did you just focus on victimhood ? As I said poverty is NOT the highest motivating factor to criminal activity because if it were most poor people would be criminals . In the first few years of the first arrivals in large numbers black people were introduced into extremely poor white areas of the UK . Think about it. |
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Post by patman post on Oct 29, 2023 12:21:26 GMT
'Black History Month' LOL, this is woke virtue signalling on an epic scale. [snipped]
One beauty of Black History Month is enjoying how is pisses some people off while it affects them not one jot… |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 12:32:55 GMT
'Black History Month' LOL, this is woke virtue signalling on an epic scale. [snipped]
One beauty of Black History Month is enjoying how is pisses some people off while it affects them not one jot… The fact that you find racial provocation pleasurable is informative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 12:39:47 GMT
Demographic population statistics are usually at a ratio of "Per 100,000" The crime rate in an affluent area is almost always lower than in a poorer, or run down area where poverty is higher, I am simply explaining facts. For at least 40 years from the first arrivals in large numbers, black people were routinely and frequently discriminated against.This was the number 1 reason as to why most black people were on low pay, lived in poor housing, and why a much higher percentage lived in poverty, as oppossed to white people. Where there is poverty - you always see higher rates of crime Jews are probably one of the most discriminated ethnic group that ever existed . They have been no stranger to poverty either . Yet they are probably the most successful ethnic group . Did you study the way Jews overcame their oppression and become the success that they now are or did you just focus on victimhood ? As I said poverty is NOT the highest motivating factor to criminal activity because if it were most poor people would be criminals . In the first few years of the first arrivals in large numbers black people were introduced into extremely poor white areas of the UK . Think about it. There is always a logical or scientific reason for everything, and you are attempting to push back on what is accepted historical fact. When Jews first arrived in this country in large numbers from Europe, most did live in poverty and in poor housing, in London many Jews lived in the East End amongst working class cockneys, and they were discriminated against. As time went on, many Jews got themselves out of poverty, and times got better, but here we are talking about the 19th century and in the years leading up to the 1930s. Times are also changing for black people now, the discrimination is not what it was, and we now see black people in all walks of life, as police officers, mayors, judges, lawyers and famous people. However, once in that circle of low atainment, poor housing, poor qualifications, low pay, its often difficult to break out of it, and unfortunately, just like on mainly white occupied council estates, crime becomes part of the culture. I could go to certain areas of Middlesbrough today and find someone who could get me almost anything to order (stolen).  The statue is of an ancestor of mine, she was called Sophia Constable, and she was the youngest ever inmate of Northallerton Prison in North Yorkshire. At the age of 12 she was jailed for stealing a loaf of bread, because she was hungry, because she lived in poverty. Remember: Where theres poverty, you will always find crime |
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