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Post by sandypine on Oct 28, 2023 11:48:04 GMT
You are of course quite wrong, and you know you're wrong. No case has been made for it, an aggressive politically correct minority demand it, but if that's what you call making a case, hello anarchy here we come. Black people have made no significant contribution to this country, none whatsoever. Indeed as former BBC journalist Rod Liddle famously said ... The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. In return for all this crime, the black community has given Britain 'rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks'.The usual crowd of minority appeasing outraged lefties obviously criticised him for being racist, par for the course. But oddly, they neglected to deny his claims. Black history month my arse, it's virtue signalling nonsense. If we are going to have a minority appeasment month, then it should be to a minority who have at least made a positive contribution to this country, India springs to mind. I think this post of yours makes a very strong argument for the need to teach black history. RE: knife crime, Akala addresses this issue very well: "Rapper and activist Akala has said that Britain’s rising knife crime rates are due to poverty and lack of education, not race. The 35-year-old author told Channel 4 News that racial explanations for gang crime are a “way out for the powers that be in society”. “It’s revealing that what happens in London is black-on-black crime,” he said, “but what happens in Glasgow – race is not important”. There are 1.2 million black people in London, in a bad year 50 of them will kill someone, that’s less than 0.004 per cent of that population.” He continued: “Just to contrast, in a bad year in Glasgow – say 2005 – there were 40 murders. There were only 600,000 people in Glasgow. “So that year a Glaswegian – as a whole – was twice as likely to be killed as a black Londoner.” Poverty, domestic abuse, lack of education – so expulsion from school. For example, almost half the people in prison today in Britain were expelled from school as children, versus just one per cent of the population as a whole.” The issue of knife crime and youth gang violence is, he went on, not a new phenomena, but rather a trend of that has continued for two centuries." He used Glasgow as an example which is almost ignoring the special conditions that have blighted Glasgow and the West of Scotland for hundreds of years. It is a specific area of racial and religious bigotry and intolerance perpetuated within the city by far too many. It is a prime example of what happens when two groups that have history of conflict are expected to live in peace and harmony and cannot because the hatreds and divisions and conflict and atrocity memories run too deep. If an example is to be taken take any other English city, except perhaps Liverpool, but we all know Glasgow is different. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 11:49:13 GMT
I don't understand yours, you've lost me here. You post disjointed rubbish and wonder why you get lost. Now tell me how black history month would help stop black crime in London . I never said BHM would stop black crime in London, teaching white history hasn't stopped white crime after all. I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 11:54:31 GMT
You post disjointed rubbish and wonder why you get lost. Now tell me how black history month would help stop black crime in London . I never said BHM would stop black crime in London, teaching white history hasn't stopped white crime after all. I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value. There is no such thing as "white history" outside of a few online blogs. There is only history, which I pointed out to you only yesterday. This for me highlights the fact that racist critical race theory, which you are all pushing, is attempting to distort reality. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2023 11:55:45 GMT
You post disjointed rubbish and wonder why you get lost. Now tell me how black history month would help stop black crime in London . I never said BHM would stop black crime in London, teaching white history hasn't stopped white crime after all. I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value. But where does the Glasgow Whataboutery come into this ? Hiw does white crime in Glasgow counter black crime in London ? How would lessons about Mary Seacole somehow be a counter narrative to black county lines and black on black stabbings any more than lessons on Bonny Prince Charlie be a counter narrative to Glasgow stabbings ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 11:58:06 GMT
I never said BHM would stop black crime in London, teaching white history hasn't stopped white crime after all. I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value. There is no such thing as "white history" outside of a few online blogs. There is only history, which I pointed out to you only yesterday. This for me highlights the fact that racist critical race theory, which you are all pushing, is attempting to distort reality. I've never advocated critical race theory. There is no formal white history it's true but the history curriculum was 100% white when I was at school. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 12:01:39 GMT
I never said BHM would stop black crime in London, teaching white history hasn't stopped white crime after all. I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value. But where does the Glasgow Whataboutery come into this ? Hiw does white crime in Glasgow counter black crime in London ? How would lessons about Mary Seacole somehow be a counter narrative to black county lines and black on black stabbings any more than lessons on Bonny Prince Charlie be a counter narrative to Glasgow stabbings ? The point about Glasgow is that statistically the citizens of Glasgow were sometimes more violent than Londoners yet only in London, which has a large black population, is the discussion about crime racialised. The same is true of Belfast and Dublin, gang related violence but nobody brings race into the discussion. Nobody has said that BHM would stop crime, I've said it would be a useful counter narrative to people like RR saying black people have contributed nothing at all of value. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2023 12:08:41 GMT
But where does the Glasgow Whataboutery come into this ? Hiw does white crime in Glasgow counter black crime in London ? How would lessons about Mary Seacole somehow be a counter narrative to black county lines and black on black stabbings any more than lessons on Bonny Prince Charlie be a counter narrative to Glasgow stabbings ? The point about Glasgow is that statistically the citizens of Glasgow were sometimes more violent than Londoners yet only in London, which has a large black population, is the discussion about crime racialised. The same is true of Belfast and Dublin, gang related violence but nobody brings race into the discussion. Nobody has said that BHM would stop crime, I've said it would be a useful counter narrative to people like RR saying black people have contributed nothing at all of value. As I said Whataboutery. Albanian drug gangs took over from the black Yardies in North London during the early 2000s but that doesn’t refute the savagery of the Yardie gangs . So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 12:09:49 GMT
There is no such thing as "white history" outside of a few online blogs. There is only history, which I pointed out to you only yesterday. This for me highlights the fact that racist critical race theory, which you are all pushing, is attempting to distort reality. I've never advocated critical race theory. There is no formal white history it's true but the history curriculum was 100% white when I was at school. It was your only reason you gave for supporting this. A theory with a big "if" of intitutional racism, which is applied to all western institutions. You offered nothing else. Do you remember? I even pointed out that it's all a leap to action over something theoretical. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 12:13:33 GMT
The point about Glasgow is that statistically the citizens of Glasgow were sometimes more violent than Londoners yet only in London, which has a large black population, is the discussion about crime racialised. The same is true of Belfast and Dublin, gang related violence but nobody brings race into the discussion. Nobody has said that BHM would stop crime, I've said it would be a useful counter narrative to people like RR saying black people have contributed nothing at all of value. As I said Whataboutery. Albanian drug gangs took over from the black Yardies in North London during the early 2000s but that doesn’t but that doesn’t refute the savagery of the Yardie gangs . So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ? It's a valid point, why don't the likes of Rid Liddle talk about the ethnicity of people committing most of the violent crime in Glasgow or Belfast? "So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?" I never said it would. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 12:14:03 GMT
I've never advocated critical race theory. There is no formal white history it's true but the history curriculum was 100% white when I was at school. It was your only reason you gave for supporting this. A theory with a big "if" of intitutional racism, which is applied to all western institutions. You offered nothing else. Do you remember? I even pointed out that it's all a leap to action over something theoretical. I've not even mentioned critical theory, not once. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2023 12:19:03 GMT
As I said Whataboutery. Albanian drug gangs took over from the black Yardies in North London during the early 2000s but that doesn’t but that doesn’t refute the savagery of the Yardie gangs . So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ? It's a valid point, why don't the likes of Rid Liddle talk about the ethnicity of people committing most of the violent crime in Glasgow or Belfast? "So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?" I never said it would.Why doesn’t anyone that talks about Glasgow violent crime arbitrarily talk about black violent crime in London ? Yes you did …”I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value.” |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 12:21:52 GMT
It's a valid point, why don't the likes of Rid Liddle talk about the ethnicity of people committing most of the violent crime in Glasgow or Belfast? "So how does teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?" I never said it would.Why doesn’t anyone that talks about Glasgow violent crime arbitrarily talk about black violent crime in London ? Yes you did …”I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value.” "I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value." "teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?" Those are two completely different statements. Can you honestly not see that? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2023 12:25:59 GMT
Why doesn’t anyone that talks about Glasgow violent crime arbitrarily talk about black violent crime in London ? Yes you did …”I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value.” "I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value." "teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?" Those are two completely different statements. Can you honestly not see that? Not really . It’s a matter of perception. A counter narrative will have no effect on the negative contribution of black gangs so why link them ? Telling Indians that we gave them civilisation doesnt negate the negative contribution of the British empire |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 28, 2023 12:27:41 GMT
"I do think BHM would be a useful counter narrative to those expressed by Red Rackham about black people contributing nothing of value." "teaching about Mary Seacole in schools counter the negative contribution of black London gangs ?" Those are two completely different statements. Can you honestly not see that? Not really . It’s a matter of perception. A counter narrative will have no effect on the negative contribution of black gangs so why link them ? Teloing the Indians that we gave them civilisation doesnt negate the negative contribution of the British empire You seem determined to argue a point I haven't made, I'll leave you to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 12:29:07 GMT
It was your only reason you gave for supporting this. A theory with a big "if" of intitutional racism, which is applied to all western institutions. You offered nothing else. Do you remember? I even pointed out that it's all a leap to action over something theoretical. I've not even mentioned critical theory, not once. You used it as your only argument of support. It was taken straight out of the doctrine. I even mentioned that the motivation behind it is based off a negative. The single timeline which we document is not racist, it's non-racist. Sadly, it isn't enough to be non-racist under the theoretical framework that is driving this. One has to be anti-racist (activism). This is exclusive, since under this belief system black people cannot be racist to white people, because they're told they have no power over western institutions, which are all institutionally racist. They can only discriminate. And then with a magic wand the negative driving force becomes a positive discrimination.
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