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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 17:14:47 GMT
If we have to have the history for one ethnic group embedded in the NC, why not others too? Why not an Islamic History Month, a Hindu History Month and a Jewish History Month as well? Or Irish even, or Polish? All of these ethnic groups have at least as good a claim and in some cases, many more members. We might even have to reserve a slot for English History Month too. What is so special and unique about black history that it merits special treatment in this way? In principle I wouldn't have a problem with those subjects being taught on the curriculum either, you'd have to ask the DfE why they aren't. I don't see that as a valid argument for removing BHM from the curriculum though. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 27, 2023 17:19:19 GMT
Given that the school year is only nine months, accommodating all these new ethnic themes in the curriculum would leave very little time for our children to learn about their own history and culture. Almost certainly more new factions will appear demanding their own slice of the curriculum.
Do you view this as a good thing?
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Post by see2 on Oct 27, 2023 17:25:09 GMT
Given that the school year is only nine months, accommodating all these new ethnic themes in the curriculum would leave very little time for our children to learn about their own history and culture. Almost certainly more new factions will appear demanding their own slice of the curriculum. Do you view this as a good thing? The underlying need for a Black History Month is the racism that still exists in the UK. It needs to be eradicated , or at least massively reduced, and IMO one of the best ways to do it is through education. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 27, 2023 17:29:50 GMT
That doesn't appear to be part of any official case for embedding BHM into the History national curriculum, even though it obviously has great appeal for you.
But assuming you can make a persuasive case for it, why not for other Ethnic History Months too? Surely Muslims, for example, must be experiencing the same sort of racism that you feel blacks do?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 27, 2023 17:32:05 GMT
Given that the school year is only nine months, accommodating all these new ethnic themes in the curriculum would leave very little time for our children to learn about their own history and culture. Almost certainly more new factions will appear demanding their own slice of the curriculum. Do you view this as a good thing? The underlying need for a Black History Month is the racism that still exists in the UK. It needs to be eradicated , or at least massively reduced, and IMO one of the best ways to do it is through education. The UK is the least racist country in Europe so whatever racism is left is hardly going to be eradicated by celebrating the achievements of people nobody has heard of or cares about. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 17:47:45 GMT
Given that the school year is only nine months, accommodating all these new ethnic themes in the curriculum would leave very little time for our children to learn about their own history and culture. Almost certainly more new factions will appear demanding their own slice of the curriculum. Do you view this as a good thing? I haven't advocated having a month devoted to each of them, obviously that would be impractical. You could make a case for any number of alternative subjects for every one on the curriculum. In this case the DfE have chosen to prioritise black history over the ones you've listed, you'd have to ask them why. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 27, 2023 17:49:42 GMT
That doesn't appear to be part of any official case for embedding BHM into the History national curriculum, even though it obviously has great appeal for you.
But assuming you can make a persuasive case for it, why not for other Ethnic History Months too? Surely Muslims, for example, must be experiencing the same sort of racism that you feel blacks do?
Not for me, for the get-along-benefit of the country. No one is interested in the Muslim trade slave trade of Europeans that apparently is not one of the things that lingers in the minds of people. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 27, 2023 17:54:43 GMT
The underlying need for a Black History Month is the racism that still exists in the UK. It needs to be eradicated , or at least massively reduced, and IMO one of the best ways to do it is through education. The UK is the least racist country in Europe so whatever racism is left is hardly going to be eradicated by celebrating the achievements of people nobody has heard of or cares about. That is easy for you to say, but try asking people of colour who suffered because the have the wrong sort of name, or the cricketers who have recently opened a can of worms over racism in the cricket world. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 18:02:25 GMT
The UK is the least racist country in Europe so whatever racism is left is hardly going to be eradicated by celebrating the achievements of people nobody has heard of or cares about. That is easy for you to say, but try asking people of colour who suffered because the have the wrong sort of name, or the cricketers who have recently opened a can of worms over racism in the cricket world. What does 'people of colour' mean? Are you so painfully woke that you cant utter the word 'black' or 'brown'? Why is a Pakistani cricketer who accuses a team mate of a racial slur, nine years previously, immediately taken very seriously. Yet a white rugby player who accuses a black player of a racial slur minutes ago is ignored? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 27, 2023 21:44:26 GMT
That is easy for you to say, but try asking people of colour who suffered because the have the wrong sort of name, or the cricketers who have recently opened a can of worms over racism in the cricket world. What does 'people of colour' mean? Are you so painfully woke that you cant utter the word 'black' or 'brown'? Why is a Pakistani cricketer who accuses a team mate of a racial slur, nine years previously, immediately taken very seriously. Yet a white rugby player who accuses a black player of a racial slur minutes ago is ignored? Lack of evidence. Tom Curry appears to be the only person who heard the SA hooker call him a white c*unt. The ref' didn't hear it and the hooker denied it. What else could they do but decide to take no action? They did not ''ignore it''. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 22:05:21 GMT
What does 'people of colour' mean? Are you so painfully woke that you cant utter the word 'black' or 'brown'? Why is a Pakistani cricketer who accuses a team mate of a racial slur, nine years previously, immediately taken very seriously. Yet a white rugby player who accuses a black player of a racial slur minutes ago is ignored? Lack of evidence. Tom Curry appears to be the only person who heard the SA hooker call him a white c*unt. The ref' didn't hear it and the hooker denied it. What else could they do but decide to take no action? They did not ''ignore it''. I suspect if a black player had complained about a racial slur from a white player, things would have been quite different. But you already know this, we all do. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 27, 2023 22:18:30 GMT
Lack of evidence. Tom Curry appears to be the only person who heard the SA hooker call him a white c*unt. The ref' didn't hear it and the hooker denied it. What else could they do but decide to take no action? They did not ''ignore it''. I suspect if a black player had complained about a racial slur from a white player, things would have been quite different. But you already know this, we all do. No actually, I wouldn't just assume that. I have some faith in the integrity of the RFU. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 22:35:35 GMT
I suspect if a black player had complained about a racial slur from a white player, things would have been quite different. But you already know this, we all do. No actually, I wouldn't just assume that. I have some faith in the integrity of the RFU. LOL, good man. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 27, 2023 23:02:04 GMT
Of course I'm not saying white lives don't matter. I'm saying I see no harm in teaching kids the contribution made to history by white and black people. I've yet to hear anyone spell out what possibly harm can come from teaching kids the latter. History involves contribution from people of all races , skin colours and abilities ,history lessons shouldn't be taught as positive discrimination based on skin colour Exactly, this my point earlier. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2023 0:32:53 GMT
For a radical demand like devoting a month from the national curriculum to teach all children the history of a particular ethnic minority the onus is on its promoters make a case for it. A case has been made for it, it's just not convinced a few individuals who's starting point appears to be fierce opposition to it. I doubt I could convince many Man Utd supporters that Pep Guardiola is a better and more influential manager than Alex Ferguson was, doesn't mean my argument is without merit. Conversely, I've yet to hear a convincing argument to cancel BHM. You are of course quite wrong, and you know you're wrong. No case has been made for it, an aggressive politically correct minority demand it, but if that's what you call making a case, hello anarchy here we come. Black people have made no significant contribution to this country, none whatsoever. Indeed as former BBC journalist Rod Liddle famously said ... The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. In return for all this crime, the black community has given Britain 'rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks'.The usual crowd of minority appeasing outraged lefties obviously criticised him for being racist, par for the course. But oddly, they neglected to deny his claims. Black history month my arse, it's virtue signalling nonsense. If we are going to have a minority appeasment month, then it should be to a minority who have at least made a positive contribution to this country, India springs to mind. |
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