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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 15:36:45 GMT
That's their belief system for you. Cults have been manipulating that area of the mind since forever.
The only good argument I can think of is that it all brings a different meaning to parallel timelines. Coexistence could be, erm, troubling.
Is it cultish though or is it simply fact that black history wasn't taught in schools up until fairly recently? It hadn’t been relevant and still isn’t relevant enough for a month of study . |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 15:44:22 GMT
Is it cultish though or is it simply fact that black history wasn't taught in schools up until fairly recently? It hadn’t been relevant and still isn’t relevant enough for a month of study . One person's subjective view that it isn't relative enough isn't a reason not to teach it for me. I could make a similar argument for any number of historical subjects or figures, doesn't mean they shouldn't be taught just because one rando on the internet has a bee in his bonnet about it. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 15:47:04 GMT
It hadn’t been relevant and still isn’t relevant enough for a month of study . One person's subjective view that it isn't relative enough isn't a reason not to teach it for me. I could make a similar argument for any number of historical subjects or figures, doesn't mean they shouldn't be taught just because one rando on the internet has a bee in his bonnet about it. Thats why we have forums to discuss it . You should know, you own one . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 27, 2023 15:48:36 GMT
For a radical demand like devoting a month from the national curriculum to teach all children the history of a particular ethnic minority the onus is on its promoters make a case for it.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 15:49:51 GMT
The problem for them is that they can’t
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Post by sandypine on Oct 27, 2023 16:01:56 GMT
It hadn’t been relevant and still isn’t relevant enough for a month of study . One person's subjective view that it isn't relative enough isn't a reason not to teach it for me. I could make a similar argument for any number of historical subjects or figures, doesn't mean they shouldn't be taught just because one rando on the internet has a bee in his bonnet about it. I thought people have been asking for evidence of relevance to be presented. So far apart from popular music, Mary Seacole and a few rather inoffensive others there is very little to warrant it as a special subject. The history of Britain is the history of Britain and largely consists of white people although ethnicity was never mentioned in my rather limited history classes. It was just people. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 16:16:05 GMT
For a radical demand like devoting a month from the national curriculum to teach all children the history of a particular ethnic minority the onus is on its promoters make a case for it. A case has been made for it, it's just not convinced a few individuals who's starting point appears to be fierce opposition to it. I doubt I could convince many Man Utd supporters that Pep Guardiola is a better and more influential manager than Alex Ferguson was, doesn't mean my argument is without merit. Conversely, I've yet to hear a convincing argument to cancel BHM. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 27, 2023 16:30:31 GMT
Can you point us to this case your refer to?
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 16:47:57 GMT
Can you point us to this case your refer to? I posted the off DfE statement earlier in the thread which I thought was fair enough. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 16:48:39 GMT
Can you point us to this case your refer to? I posted the off DfE statement earlier in the thread which I thought was fair enough. lol. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 16:51:07 GMT
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 27, 2023 16:51:10 GMT
It seems to be a leap to go directly to action long before the theoretical "if" has been addressed.
Well no because the people organising would I imagine be convinced it's not an if. As a counter argument, can you give me examples of black history being taught on the mainstream curriculum from say the 1950s up until the millennium? I've already posted that I clearly remember being taught about Rosa Parkes and Martin Luther King (and others)in mainstream O level history classes . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 27, 2023 16:52:47 GMT
That's not a case for BHM in schools, it's a statement of how the bureaucrats intend to implement it.
There is no evidentiary justification provided at all. It's a straightforward statement of intent which assumes a fait accompli. It even contain outright lies such as 'From Roman times onwards, Black people have been an integral part of Britain' which is completely ahistorical.
As far as I'm aware there has been no public consultation on this.
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 17:00:02 GMT
That's not a case for BHM in schools, it's a statement of how the bureaucrats intend to implement it. There is no evidentiary justification provided at all. It's a straightforward statement of intent which assumes a fait accompli. It even contain outright lies such as 'From Roman times onwards, Black people have been an integral part of Britain' which is completely ahistorical. As far as I'm aware there has been no public consultation on this. The teaching of black history month isn't a proposal, it's the status quo, therefore the conservative position in this instance is to maintain the status quo and carry on teaching it. If people want to change the curriculum and cancel BHM it's incumbent on them to make a case for it. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 27, 2023 17:07:41 GMT
If we have to have the history for one ethnic group embedded in the NC, why not others too? Why not an Islamic History Month, a Hindu History Month and a Jewish History Month as well? Or Irish even, or Polish? All of these ethnic groups have at least as good a claim and in some cases, many more members. We might even have to reserve a slot for English History Month too.
What is so special and unique about black history that it merits special treatment in this way?
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