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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 14:08:44 GMT
So anything that hasn't been played at the BBC proms isn't proper music? That would be most music wouldn't it? Certainly most if not all of what you proposed as musical contributions by blacks to British society. And most white music. Frankly I think that black music doesn't meat the extremely restrictive and subjective criteria of one rando on the internet isn't a valid argument for not teaching black history. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 14:11:31 GMT
The reference to the Krays only existing in film was a joking reference to the fact that gang crime predates BHM by decades. Is there any evidence of BHM misrepresenting history? YOU ..“I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film?” It didn’t actually say what you now claim, did it? Had you read the post that you replied to then you might have gleaned that it suggested that there was evidence of BHM misrepresenting history. However if BHM has depicted imported cheap labour and quack medicine peddlers ( allegedly)as heroes the process of misrepresenting history has already began . "It didn’t actually say what you now claim, did it?" Sorry you've lost me here. "However if BHM has depicted imported cheap labour and quack medicine peddlers ( allegedly)as heroes the process of misrepresenting history has already began" Has it depicted "quack medicine peddlers" as heroes? I personally happen to think "cheap labour" often have been heroes. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 27, 2023 14:13:21 GMT
Well it was you that proposed music as one of the major contributions blacks have made to British society, wasn't it?
I'll understand if you wish to retract that now.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 14:17:44 GMT
YOU ..“I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film?” It didn’t actually say what you now claim, did it? Had you read the post that you replied to then you might have gleaned that it suggested that there was evidence of BHM misrepresenting history. However if BHM has depicted imported cheap labour and quack medicine peddlers ( allegedly)as heroes the process of misrepresenting history has already began . "It didn’t actually say what you now claim, did it?" Sorry you've lost me here. "However if BHM has depicted imported cheap labour and quack medicine peddlers ( allegedly)as heroes the process of misrepresenting history has already began" Has it depicted "quack medicine peddlers" as heroes? I personally happen to think "cheap labour" often have been heroes. You..I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film?” You ..The reference to the Krays only existing in film was a joking reference to the fact that gang crime predates BHM by decades. See the difference? It depicts Mary Seacole as a heroine , so yes Nope , imported cheap labour are not heroes . No more heroic than scab labour . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 14:25:23 GMT
Certainly most if not all of what you proposed as musical contributions by blacks to British society. And most white music. Frankly I think that black music doesn't meat the extremely restrictive and subjective criteria of one rando on the internet isn't a valid argument for not teaching black history. It's the enthesis on black. Black musicians are musicians recognised for their talent. Their music is our music and vice versa. What's the beef, why do you want to divide history into racial groups? Isn't that like, bad? |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 14:34:05 GMT
Well it was you that proposed music as one of the major contributions blacks have made to British society, wasn't it? I'll understand if you wish to retract that now. No, I stand by it, the fact that it doesn't meet one person's very niche criteria which nearly all white music also wouldn't meet,doesn't in any way undermine it for me. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 14:37:33 GMT
"It didn’t actually say what you now claim, did it?" Sorry you've lost me here. "However if BHM has depicted imported cheap labour and quack medicine peddlers ( allegedly)as heroes the process of misrepresenting history has already began" Has it depicted "quack medicine peddlers" as heroes? I personally happen to think "cheap labour" often have been heroes. You..I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film?” You ..The reference to the Krays only existing in film was a joking reference to the fact that gang crime predates BHM by decades. See the difference? It depicts Mary Seacole as a heroine , so yes Nope , imported cheap labour are not heroes . No more heroic than scab labour . Yes I see the difference, my original comment was a light hearted joking remark backing up a serious point, I can see however how it may have been difficult to tell it was a joke, the perils of online discussion. "Nope , imported cheap labour are not heroes . No more heroic than scab labour" There we will have to disagree. Cheap labour both imported and indigenous helped get us through the pandemic and win the second world war, that's just two examples. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 14:39:12 GMT
And most white music. Frankly I think that black music doesn't meat the extremely restrictive and subjective criteria of one rando on the internet isn't a valid argument for not teaching black history. It's the enthesis on black. Black musicians are musicians recognised for their talent. Their music is our music and vice versa. What's the beef, why do you want to divide history into racial groups? Isn't that like, bad? You're so close. The argument in favour of BHM is that the contribution of black people in history was airbrushed out because of racial division. That's like bad, right? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 14:41:17 GMT
Well it was you that proposed music as one of the major contributions blacks have made to British society, wasn't it? I'll understand if you wish to retract that now. Oh I dunno, in some richly diverse inner city 'hoods' rap and drill is quite popular. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 14:41:41 GMT
You..I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film?” You ..The reference to the Krays only existing in film was a joking reference to the fact that gang crime predates BHM by decades. See the difference? It depicts Mary Seacole as a heroine , so yes Nope , imported cheap labour are not heroes . No more heroic than scab labour . Yes I see the difference, my original comment was a light hearted joking remark backing up a serious point, I can see however how it may have been difficult to tell it was a joke, the perils of online discussion. "Nope , imported cheap labour are not heroes . No more heroic than scab labour" There we will have to disagree. Cheap labour both imported and indigenous helped get us through the pandemic and win the second world war, that's just two examples. Didn’t need to see it as a joke or not. My initial point was that the Krays were nothing like as powerful as they are depicted in films . As I said before , that would of been the end of it if you wanted it to be . Imported cheap labour suppresses wages and working conditions . There’s two examples . As I said imported cheap labour are no more heroic than scab labour . |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 14:43:04 GMT
White musicians took black music and improved to to another level.
There are exceptions but not many .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 14:47:40 GMT
It's the enthesis on black. Black musicians are musicians recognised for their talent. Their music is our music and vice versa. What's the beef, why do you want to divide history into racial groups? Isn't that like, bad? You're so close. The argument in favour of BHM is that the contribution of black people in history was airbrushed out because of racial division. That's like bad, right? Trying to break history into racial groups is divisive and I can see that it's motivated by a negative.
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 14:49:34 GMT
You're so close. The argument in favour of BHM is that the contribution of black people in history was airbrushed out because of racial division. That's like bad, right? Trying to break history into racial groups is divisive and I can see that it's motivated by a negative.
How would you teach say, the slave trade without reference to race? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 14:50:30 GMT
Afaik black musicians were not airbrushed from history either in this century or last.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 14:51:08 GMT
Trying to break history into racial groups is divisive and I can see that it's motivated by a negative.
How would you teach say, the slave trade without reference to race? Depends on what part of history you are referencing. |
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