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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 12:51:15 GMT
Sorry I simply can't agree with your notion that a nuse or bus driver doesn't make a tangible contribution to society. Quite frankly it has a faint but noticeable whiff of class snobbery about it IMHO. Remember back in the pandemic and the classification of key workers, people who are society simply couldn't function without, nurses and bus drivers would be on that list. Have you won any Nobel prizes by the way? If not is it right to say that you have made no tangible contribution to society? My grandmother worked in terrible conditions in a munitions factory during WW2 and slept in a tube station during the blitz. Did she win any Nobel prizes? No. Did she make a valid contribution, abso-bloody-lutely she did. The difference being that nobody is demanding a special month be set aside in the national curriculum to celebrate your grandmother's contribution. But we learnt about the contribution of people like my nan in history when I was at school. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 27, 2023 12:53:21 GMT
So to be clear a mere one post 92 university offers a black studies (not history) degree, no pre 92 universities offer anything of the sort. Why then inflict it on schoolkids? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 27, 2023 12:53:41 GMT
Oh ok, if it needs spelling out ..... NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE like Kemi Badenoch the Black Tory Secretary of State for Trade, she made it through hard work, no whinging and whining and playing the race card, a thouroughly decent well educated, well presented clever lady. I believe that's known as survivor bias. If one looks at objective facts and data, it does heavily indicate ingrained prejudice against black people and other ethnic minorities in the UK. For example, black people in the UK are twice as likely to be unemployed: www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latestThis goes a long way to explaining it: "All of the fictitious candidates were British citizens, or had moved to the UK by the age of six, and had identical CVs, covering letters and years of experience. The only thing that they changed was the applicant's name, which they based on their ethnic background. While 24% of white British applicants received a call back from UK employers, only 15% of ethnic minority applicants did. Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417No idea what that is suppose to be about ^^^ |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 13:01:59 GMT
How much is "much" by your definition? Iconic Olympic moments that spring to mind for me include Linford Christie winning the 92 100m, Dame Kelly Holmes winning a brace of golds, Mo Farrah and Jess Ennis in 2012, Daley Thompson. At the last world cup over half of England's goals were scored by black players. By much I mean making a decisive contribution i.e. a contribution that makes the difference between success and failure. We're all well aware of the headline acts that you list and which the media have become fixated on, but in terms of the overall medal table the end-result would have been barely different if they had not participated.
As for England in last World Cup, it's true that 7 of England's 13 goals were scored by black players but it would be surprising if it wasn't. Black players are usually played in forward positions where goal opportunities are to be found. However if you consider the overall goal-scoring record of black players in the current England squad the highest scorer is Raheem Sterling with 20, from 82 caps. Harry Kane has five more caps but has scored more than three times as many (61).
Taking the longer-term view no black player makes the top twenty of England scorers; in fact Sterling ties with Jermaine Defoe for 22nd slot.
Black players often flatter to deceive.
You ever heard people sat around the pub reminiscing about medal tables? Sport is about moments and black athletes have provided plenty of memorable moments. Are black players normally forwards? Rio Ferdinand, Sol Campbell, Ashley Cole, Des Walker, Paul Parker, Kyle Walker, Reece James just off the top of my head, all defenders. Harry Kane is a generational talent and England's all time leading goal scorer, how many contemporary white England forwards have a comparable goal haul/ratio to him? Heck how many strikers black or white in world football currently have a comparable record? Less than 10 would be my guess. In the most recent England squad Phil Foden was the nearest white forward with 4 goals in 29 games. Bukayo Saka has 11 in 30 and Marcus Rashford 17 in 57. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 13:02:54 GMT
I believe that's known as survivor bias. If one looks at objective facts and data, it does heavily indicate ingrained prejudice against black people and other ethnic minorities in the UK. For example, black people in the UK are twice as likely to be unemployed: www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latestThis goes a long way to explaining it: "All of the fictitious candidates were British citizens, or had moved to the UK by the age of six, and had identical CVs, covering letters and years of experience. The only thing that they changed was the applicant's name, which they based on their ethnic background. While 24% of white British applicants received a call back from UK employers, only 15% of ethnic minority applicants did. Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417No idea what that is suppose to be about ^^^ Statistical data which indicates widespread discrimination against ethnic minorities in the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 13:03:33 GMT
So to be clear a mere one post 92 university offers a black studies (not history) degree, no pre 92 universities offer anything of the sort. Why then inflict it on schoolkids? I would refuse to go to school if that was waiting for me. It's no wonder we have so much gang related crime amongst the youth. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 13:03:52 GMT
So to be clear a mere one post 92 university offers a black studies (not history) degree, no pre 92 universities offer anything of the sort. Why then inflict it on schoolkids? Nothing is being inflicted. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 13:05:11 GMT
So to be clear a mere one post 92 university offers a black studies (not history) degree, no pre 92 universities offer anything of the sort. Why then inflict it on schoolkids? I would refuse to go to school if that was waiting for me. It's no wonder we have so much gang related crime amongst the youth. Teaching black history causes gang related crime?  ? Wow. I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 13:08:37 GMT
I would refuse to go to school if that was waiting for me. It's no wonder we have so much gang related crime amongst the youth. Teaching black history causes gang related crime? ? Wow. I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film? Pretty much. The Krays were far less powerful and widespread than they are depicted in film . They has nothing to compare with county lines drug operations . |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 13:10:22 GMT
Teaching black history causes gang related crime? ? Wow. I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film? Pretty much. The Krays were far less powerful and widespread than they are depicted in film . They has nothing to compare with county lines drug operations . Gang crime has been a problem since at least the Victorian era. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 13:11:57 GMT
I would refuse to go to school if that was waiting for me. It's no wonder we have so much gang related crime amongst the youth. Teaching black history causes gang related crime? ? Wow. I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film? There could be a correlation. Like I said, I would be so bored I would refuse to go. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 13:14:42 GMT
Teaching black history causes gang related crime? ? Wow. I suppose before black history month there was no gang related crime? The Krays were just a film? There could be a correlation. Like I said, I would be so bored I would refuse to go. And become a gangster? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2023 13:15:09 GMT
Pretty much. The Krays were far less powerful and widespread than they are depicted in film . They has nothing to compare with county lines drug operations . Gang crime has been a problem since at least the Victorian era. You mentioned the Krays then you moved the goalposts . Nothing that the Krays had composed with county lines drug operations . Will the next answer be about gang crime in the Elizabethan era ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 13:18:50 GMT
There could be a correlation. Like I said, I would be so bored I would refuse to go. And become a gangster? That or a criminal, petty or otherwise. Critical race theory is divisive racist bollocks. Imagine having to sit through it? |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 13:24:32 GMT
Gang crime has been a problem since at least the Victorian era. You mentioned the Krays then you moved the goalposts . Nothing that the Krays had composed with county lines drug operations . Will the next answer be about gang crime in the Elizabethan era ? I'm simply pointing out that gang crime has been a problem for well over a century so to suggest that BHM causes gang crime is, for me, laughable. |
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