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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 10:28:43 GMT
Hold a referendum on devolution. What are you afraid of?
We say no vinny. We dont agree with you. what are you going to do about it?
You won't know unless you ask. I'm sure you can still try and no-platform disagreements and insist on having people silenced. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 7, 2023 11:55:54 GMT
We say no vinny. We dont agree with you. what are you going to do about it?
You won't know unless you ask. I'm sure you can still try and no-platform disagreements and insist on having people silenced. 8% |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2023 15:36:09 GMT
There was no vote, therefore you do not know Morayloon.
Hold the vote.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 7, 2023 15:43:00 GMT
There was no vote, therefore you do not know Morayloon. Hold the vote. Quite consistent figures from Opinion Polls and the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey. 8% There is no clamour for ending Devolution from the yoon side but, there is a 50% share of the population who want it ended through Independence |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2023 15:43:46 GMT
Hold the referendum on devolution then if you're so confident of winning.
You haven't a hope in hell of ever achieving "independence" though, you're all mouth and no trousers.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 7, 2023 18:12:33 GMT
Hold the referendum on devolution then if you're so confident of winning. You haven't a hope in hell of ever achieving "independence" though, you're all mouth and no trousers. Why should a referendum be held? With only 8% support, you must be having a laugh. The latest Poll has independence 4% ahead |
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 10:48:27 GMT
Hold the referendum on devolution then if you're so confident of winning. You haven't a hope in hell of ever achieving "independence" though, you're all mouth and no trousers. eh? So you british tell us despite indy parties winning elections , we cant have a vote on independence because now is not the time or some other such anti democratic excuse .
meanwhile , a mad right wing english brexiter on an obscure interwebby forum demands a referendum on abolishing scotlands parliament , that only 8 % of people support , without doing any of the democrtic leg work like setting up an abolutionist party and winning elections.
Right ho vinny. I think you will have enough on your plate once keir starmer and labour win the next election without worrying about your pet hate devolution.
perhaps in the years ahead , once keir has finished putting your bwitian back into the EU , our european parliament might devolves some powers to your westmisnter if you ask nicely.
Wouldnt that be an incredible volte face ? Vinny the british devolutionist.  |
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Post by om15 on Oct 8, 2023 11:09:53 GMT
It doesn't really matter how many Scots desire Separation as they are likely to overwhelmingly vote Labour at the next election, thus scuppering their only Separatist party. Could be a long wait Tommo.
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Post by thomas on Oct 8, 2023 11:18:49 GMT
It doesn't really matter how many Scots desire Separation as they are likely to overwhelmingly vote Labour at the next election, thus scuppering their only Separatist party. Could be a long wait Tommo. what do you base this prediction on ommy?
you arent thinking straight ommy. You are a separatist as well , a european separatist. If labour do indeed win , then its bad news for you as well and your british separation from europe.
If i cant be scottish , you cant be british , and we can all hold hands and walk off into the brussells sunset under starmers new labour.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 8, 2023 12:17:15 GMT
Polls are worthless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 12:21:04 GMT
Yes, very nice, you have a little blog to spin it however they like.  That doesn't seem to take any account of turnout. What does it look like if expressed as a percentage of the vote? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 10, 2023 7:06:39 GMT
That doesn't seem to take any account of turnout. What does it look like if expressed as a percentage of the vote? whats your point?
The average turnout of this constituency has been around 60 / 65 % .
the point of the graph is the labour votes steady decline in this seat over two decades , in what was once a staunch labour voting area. In typical new labour fashion , armed with voter apathy , they won the seat off the back of the lowest turnout in this seats history .
If you read the article , campbell goes into detail. New labour took the combined unionist vote , but still fell short of what corbyn took in 2019 when he lost the seat. Clearly the nationalist vote stayed at home.
So the idea the jocks have had enough of this indy malarkey and are getting back in their boxes clearly isnt happening.
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Post by thomas on Oct 11, 2023 6:35:47 GMT
When the scottish indy parties took nearly 50 % of the constituency vote in 2021 on a 64 % turnout , we were told by the british "thats not a mandate"!!!
Starmers british labour in scotland take 58 % of the vote in a 37 % turnout in a by election , we are told shush jock , thats a mandate for british labour!!!
You british and your moving goalposts.
Just remember tory brexiters ,it works both ways.
When starmer potentially wins the next uk general election sometime over the next 12 months off the back of general voters apathy and three men and their dog voting for him , this will be taken as "his mandate" to overturn brexit.
I dont want to hear any squealing from tory brexiters on the matter now we have established the low bar of a labour party mandate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 9:54:59 GMT
That doesn't seem to take any account of turnout. What does it look like if expressed as a percentage of the vote? whats your point?
The average turnout of this constituency has been around 60 / 65 % .
the point of the graph is the labour votes steady decline in this seat over two decades , in what was once a staunch labour voting area. In typical new labour fashion , armed with voter apathy , they won the seat off the back of the lowest turnout in this seats history .
If you read the article , campbell goes into detail. New labour took the combined unionist vote , but still fell short of what corbyn took in 2019 when he lost the seat. Clearly the nationalist vote stayed at home.
So the idea the jocks have had enough of this indy malarkey and are getting back in their boxes clearly isnt happening.
My point is that your graph does not indicate that Labour won the 2023 by election with a huge win, Thomas. It suggests the demise of Labour. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 12, 2023 9:31:07 GMT
whats your point?
The average turnout of this constituency has been around 60 / 65 % .
the point of the graph is the labour votes steady decline in this seat over two decades , in what was once a staunch labour voting area. In typical new labour fashion , armed with voter apathy , they won the seat off the back of the lowest turnout in this seats history .
If you read the article , campbell goes into detail. New labour took the combined unionist vote , but still fell short of what corbyn took in 2019 when he lost the seat. Clearly the nationalist vote stayed at home.
So the idea the jocks have had enough of this indy malarkey and are getting back in their boxes clearly isnt happening.
My point is that your graph does not indicate that Labour won the 2023 by election with a huge win, Thomas. It suggests the demise of Labour. thats the point of the graph. The media talking of a labour "surge"( yawn ) and the reality of what happened. Like i said , read the article by campbell if you are bothered about the point he is making.
wingsoverscotland.com/the-surge/
if four men and their dog turn out at the next election , and the rest of us sit at home , three of them voting labour will also be considered a huge win by your democratic rules , so of course we can then expect you to sit back and accept democracy in action cant we , when starmer re negotiates bwexit??
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