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Post by morayloon on Oct 4, 2023 14:47:09 GMT
The question does not have to be neutral. The devolved body costs a lot of money, produces a lot of shit laws and delivers poor value to taxpayers. £21 million a year is wasted on "Constitution, external affairs, and culture." £34.3 million a year is wasted on "Justice and Veterans" meaning prosecuting ex soldiers. £48.6 million a year is wasted on "Net Zero, Energy and Transport". We have a British government for such things. It should be scrapped. Why is the Brit Govt. allowed to spend millions on 'saving the union' but Scot Gov, according to you, should do nothing to push forward the case for Independence? Hypocrite. I think you should read up on 'Justice & Veterans' as you are way off mark. 'External Affairs': it is up to Scot Gov to promote the country worldwide. 'Culture': Scottish culture is distinctive. It is also varied as is seen with the many dialects of Scots spoken in the country. Then we have Gaelic in the NW, the Inner & Outer Hebrides and the large cities (it is believed that the largest Gaelic community resides in Glasgow). Music, dance etc etc. How do you explain the huge vote for Devolution in 1997? To this day the vast majority of Scots would rather have their devolved, or an Independent Government. We voted against UK total control in 1997 and there is no evidence that suggests views have turned against Scotland running its own affairs. either partly (devolution) or fully (Independence) |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 4, 2023 14:54:24 GMT
The question does not have to be neutral. The devolved body costs a lot of money, produces a lot of shit laws and delivers poor value to taxpayers. £21 million a year is wasted on "Constitution, external affairs, and culture." £34.3 million a year is wasted on "Justice and Veterans" meaning prosecuting ex soldiers. £48.6 million a year is wasted on "Net Zero, Energy and Transport". We have a British government for such things. It should be scrapped. Why is the Brit Govt. allowed to spend millions on 'saving the union' but Scot Gov, according to you, should do nothing to push forward the case for Independence? Hypocrite. I think you should read up on 'Justice & Veterans' as you are way off mark. 'External Affairs': it is up to Scot Gov to promote the country worldwide. 'Culture': Scottish culture is distinctive. It is also varied as is seen with the many dialects of Scots spoken in the country. Then we have Gaelic in the NW, the Inner & Outer Hebrides and the large cities (it is believed that the largest Gaelic community resides in Glasgow). Music, dance etc etc. How do you explain the huge vote for Devolution in 1997? To this day the vast majority of Scots would rather have their devolved, or an Independent Government. We voted against UK total control in 1997 and there is no evidence that suggests views have turned against Scotland running its own affairs. either partly (devolution) or fully (Independence) End devolution. There ya go sorted fellow Brit. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 4, 2023 14:57:56 GMT
Holyrood wastes Brit taxes for goodness sake, plus Scotland voted to stay part of the union which the SNATS are trying to wreck. Devolution is a failure, many of the taxpayers who pay for it weren't alive when the last vote on it was held. Tell people how much it costs and ask them to vote to scrap it. It doesn't work. GET RID. END DEVOLUTION.
Turn Holyrood into a casino and Bute House into a lap dancing bar.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 4, 2023 15:23:32 GMT
Holyrood wastes Brit taxes for goodness sake, plus Scotland voted to stay part of the union which the SNATS are trying to wreck. Devolution is a failure, many of the taxpayers who pay for it weren't alive when the last vote on it was held. Tell people how much it costs and ask them to vote to scrap it. It doesn't work. GET RID. END DEVOLUTION.
Turn Holyrood into a casino and Bute House into a lap dancing bar.
How exactly do you intend to 'End Devolution'. Is the UK govt going to try and dismantle it against the wishes of the Scottish people? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 4, 2023 15:28:14 GMT
By telling the Scots how much it costs, how unnecessary it is, holding a referendum on scrapping it, and winning the vote to scrap it.
And you know full well, that under such circumstances, Scotland would vote to abolish devolution.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 4, 2023 22:34:04 GMT
By telling the Scots how much it costs, how unnecessary it is, holding a referendum on scrapping it, and winning the vote to scrap it. And you know full well, that under such circumstances, Scotland would vote to abolish devolution. Most Scots are very aware that only a fraction of tax monies raised in Scotland is returned to Scotland. Anyway many of us want an end of devolution. replacing it with full sovereign powers to the country. Unlike your ridiculous little idea, the Independence campaign has about 50% support in the electorate. You only have 8% |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 4, 2023 22:48:14 GMT
By telling the Scots how much it costs, how unnecessary it is, holding a referendum on scrapping it, and winning the vote to scrap it. And you know full well, that under such circumstances, Scotland would vote to abolish devolution. You want to grant the Scots a referendum on ending devolution, but won't grant another referendum on independence nine years after the last one even though N.I. is allowed one every seven years if they want one? That's rich. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 14:37:06 GMT
A generation hasn't passed for independence, which they overwhelmingly rejected.
A generation has passed for devolution which is an absolute shit show as it is.
Hold a new referendum on devolution and abolish that shit.
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Post by Ripley on Oct 5, 2023 14:57:25 GMT
A generation hasn't passed for independence, which they overwhelmingly rejected. A generation has passed for devolution which is an absolute shit show as it is. Hold a new referendum on devolution and abolish that shit. They should have a referendum if they want one. Enough has changed in nine years that justifies revisiting the question. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 21:45:04 GMT
The Unionist landslide and fall of the SNP is a real teller.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2023 6:35:09 GMT
Hold a referendum on devolution. What are you afraid of? If devolution is as good as you imagine it, the electorate will reject my proposals, won't it?
We all pay for it from Dartford to Dundee, very few of us are actually represented by it yet it adds huge costs to taxpayers.
Abolish devolution before any more stupid duplications of UK law are forced through out of spite by anglophobic racists.
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Post by thomas on Oct 7, 2023 10:14:36 GMT
The Unionist landslide and fall of the SNP is a real teller. i nearly choked reading that. The oracle of wisdom has spoken. 
Since the SNP’s 2015 tsunami, there have been 11 UK by-elections in which the seat changed hands. Last night was only the third in which the party that took the seat failed to increase its vote in absolute numbers as well as in share.
. It’s clear that voters of the other Unionist parties lent their votes to Labour in significant numbers in order to deliver a humiliating defeat to the SNP, judging by the spectacular decline in the Tory and Lib Dem votes.
But even that wasn’t enough to get Labour’s vote up. As with 2017, the party gained the seat not by generating a groundswell of public enthusiasm for itself, but simply by standing more or less still and watching the hapless SNP fall past it.
Even by by-election standards the 37% turnout in R&HW was abysmal.
to me now , this so called "unionist landslide" where labour took less votes than what corbyn managed in 2019 in this seat doesnt bode well for your union. It seems voters in scotland dont seem enthusiastic about voting to put someone in your parliament.
Scottish independence support leads support for Union, report finds
SUPPORT for Scottish independence leads support for the Union by four points, a new report from the Tony Blair institute has found.
When a total of 1004 respondents were asked how they would vote in a new independence referendum, 45% of respondents said they would vote Yes while 41% said they would vote No.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 10:16:26 GMT
Yes, very nice, you have a little blog to spin it however they like.
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Post by thomas on Oct 7, 2023 10:16:30 GMT
Hold a referendum on devolution. What are you afraid of? the status quo remains until you get a party elected to abolish holyrood vinny. What are you afraid of? Carping about your pet hate on an obscure interwebby forum instead of doing the hard work and going out to change our minds.
We say no vinny. We dont agree with you. what are you going to do about it?
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Post by thomas on Oct 7, 2023 10:27:54 GMT
Yes, very nice, you have a little blog to spin it however they like.  |
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