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Post by Pacifico on Oct 3, 2023 7:14:52 GMT
Lots of rhetoric as usual tommo but again (as usual) totally devoid of any answers. I'll try again: For example how would pensions be calculated if a person was considered a woman in Scotland but a Man in the rest of the UK. ive answered your question by asking how is it currently calculated if someone with a uk pension entitlement in say france ,spain or the republic of ireland is classed as a woman there , but a man in your yookay?
are you asking me a question that you dont even know the answer to yourself?
...and you talk about rhetoric?
They are classed as a woman - obviously. So now we have had your diversion want to try again - the UK pension system is what it says on the tin, a UK pension system. What you are proposing is that the eligibility requirements for that UK pension vary according to different rules in the different regions of the UK - which is a total nonsense to everyone apart from SNP supporters it seems. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2023 7:17:07 GMT
ive answered your question by asking how is it currently calculated if someone with a uk pension entitlement in say france ,spain or the republic of ireland is classed as a woman there , but a man in your yookay?
are you asking me a question that you dont even know the answer to yourself?
...and you talk about rhetoric?
They are classed as a woman - obviously. so why would scotland be different? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2023 7:26:45 GMT
ive answered your question by asking how is it currently calculated if someone with a uk pension entitlement in say france ,spain or the republic of ireland is classed as a woman there , but a man in your yookay?
are you asking me a question that you dont even know the answer to yourself?
...and you talk about rhetoric?
So now we have had your diversion want to try again - the UK pension system is what it says on the tin, a UK pension system. this is irrelevant nonsense. You dont have to be a citizen of a country to gain entitlement to the pension system. My mate , who is scottish , and a uk citizen , built up a norwegian pension entitlement working on norwegian north sea oil rigs.(as well as a uk pension) its about the individual paying into the system .
The uk guv even give you a list of nations where they pay the pension increase annually...
you can also be a uk citizen as explained , have dual nationality , or gain other nationality moving elsewhere , but still hold a uk pension entitlement.
So the question is , why couldnt scotland have a seperate gender law , where a man is classed as a woman but isnt in england , and why would this affect his uk pension entitlement when these doesnt appear to be a problem with the exmaples ive given in other countires that this may occur ?
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 3, 2023 8:34:11 GMT
What do the Snats find so awful about the (UK) Human Rights Law that they need to make up their own? what did you brit nats find so awfull about the european human rights you had to set up one of your own?
Seems to me its not the actual rights that is the problem , but who owns bragging rights about them.
It's quite obvious you didn't know that the (UK) HRA does not confer any additional rights beyond those defined in the European Convention, with the single exception that plaintiffs can now bring cases to UK courts (including Scottish) rather than having to take them to the European Court in Strasbourg. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 3, 2023 17:01:55 GMT
So now we have had your diversion want to try again - the UK pension system is what it says on the tin, a UK pension system. this is irrelevant nonsense. You dont have to be a citizen of a country to gain entitlement to the pension system. My mate , who is scottish , and a uk citizen , built up a norwegian pension entitlement working on norwegian north sea oil rigs.(as well as a uk pension) its about the individual paying into the system .
The uk guv even give you a list of nations where they pay the pension increase annually...
you can also be a uk citizen as explained , have dual nationality , or gain other nationality moving elsewhere , but still hold a uk pension entitlement.
So the question is , why couldnt scotland have a seperate gender law , where a man is classed as a woman but isnt in england , and why would this affect his uk pension entitlement when these doesnt appear to be a problem with the exmaples ive given in other countires that this may occur ?
You are not a foreign citizen - you are a UK citizen taking part in a UK pension scheme. Individual small regions of the UK cannot create their own criteria for eligibility to a UK pension - are you suggesting that Cornwall have different criteria - or perhaps the good people of Abergavenny could all retire at 55.. You are being nonsensical. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 4, 2023 7:10:12 GMT
this is irrelevant nonsense. You dont have to be a citizen of a country to gain entitlement to the pension system. My mate , who is scottish , and a uk citizen , built up a norwegian pension entitlement working on norwegian north sea oil rigs.(as well as a uk pension) its about the individual paying into the system .
The uk guv even give you a list of nations where they pay the pension increase annually...
you can also be a uk citizen as explained , have dual nationality , or gain other nationality moving elsewhere , but still hold a uk pension entitlement.
So the question is , why couldnt scotland have a seperate gender law , where a man is classed as a woman but isnt in england , and why would this affect his uk pension entitlement when these doesnt appear to be a problem with the exmaples ive given in other countires that this may occur ?
You are not a foreign citizen - you are a UK citizen taking part in a UK pension scheme. Individual small regions of the UK cannot create their own criteria for eligibility to a UK pension - are you suggesting that Cornwall have different criteria - or perhaps the good people of Abergavenny could all retire at 55.. You are being nonsensical. what a nonsensical post.
you have argued scotland cannot have a different trans policy to england due to the mechanics of paying a state pension to someone who is gendered differently in scotland to england right?
I replied what does the uk government currently do when a uk state pension recipient , domiciled outside england , in a country with a different trans policy , gender the trans individual differently to england?
I dont understand your english law , hence the question. The answer to that question is the answer to what you are saying pacifico. Its not difficult.
Either the uk government pays the individual the state pension based on non english law trans policy , or english law trans policy , and whatever it is would apply in scotland.
we have already established you dont have to be a uk citizen to take part in the state pension havent we? Or domiciled in england under english trans law.
this is a nonsense excuse. No one is arguing cornwall can. The discussion is centred around differnt trans law. Conrwall and abergavenny come under english law. Scotland doesnt .
There are a multiude of laws that are differnt between scotland and england . Land rights , property rights , house buying ,criminal law , marriage , and much more including the actual mechanism of how england and scottish law works , for example differnt jury sizes.
The trans law argument for paying a pension is bollocks , and we both know it.
The tories saw an opportunity to damage sturgeon and the snp , took it to try and be on the side of many scots like me who didint agree, and it backfired spectacularly. Hence why tory cheerleaders like you continue to dig a hold by crying its impossible for the english government to pay a state pension outside of english laws boundaries to countires that gender people differently.
i havent laughed so hard since i heard the tories were holding their conference in manchester , you know the city they told cant have an hs2 link cause they cant afford it.
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Post by thomas on Oct 4, 2023 7:16:31 GMT
what did you brit nats find so awfull about the european human rights you had to set up one of your own?
Seems to me its not the actual rights that is the problem , but who owns bragging rights about them.
It's quite obvious you didn't know that the (UK) HRA does not confer any additional rights beyond those defined in the European Convention, with the single exception that plaintiffs can now bring cases to UK courts (including Scottish) rather than having to take them to the European Court in Strasbourg. so you mean you want scotland to have a uniform human rights policy to england that scotland already had in the european courts with england and 45 other nations?
which uk courts is that then dan? The highest court in scotland is the court of session in edinburgh.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 4, 2023 7:20:48 GMT
I dont understand your english law , hence the question. The answer to that question is the answer to what you are saying pacifico. Its not difficult. The reason you do not understand is that Pensions are UK LAw and as a UK citizen yopu operate under UK regulations. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 4, 2023 7:30:35 GMT
I dont understand your english law , hence the question. The answer to that question is the answer to what you are saying pacifico. Its not difficult. The reason you do not understand is that Pensions are UK LAw and as a UK citizen yopu operate under UK regulations. there is no uk law. you can legally get married in scotland at 16 if you are english without parental consent , but the marriage wont be legally recognised back in england. So what would be the problem of english law not recognising scots trans law , and scots law gendering a trans person woman when english law genders the same person a man ?
pay the uk pension to the individual as a man. Its not difficult.
non uk citizens can pay into the uk state pension , and non uk regulations apply to those non uk citizens too.
screaming the same thing over and over isnt going to make your puerile excuse any more valid regarding trans policy pacifico.
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/scotland/family/living-together-marriage-and-civil-partnership-s/getting-married-s/
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Post by thomas on Oct 4, 2023 7:41:02 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Oct 4, 2023 8:24:25 GMT
Quite simply the devolved tin pot junta in Holyrood are trying to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK.
Dissolve the body, reinstate direct rule from Westminster and abolish all laws that devolution has produced.
Scotland voted to stay in the UK.
The best way to honour that vote is to abolish failed devolution.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 4, 2023 10:15:42 GMT
Quite simply the devolved tin pot junta in Holyrood are trying to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK. Dissolve the body, reinstate direct rule from Westminster and abolish all laws that devolution has produced. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. The best way to honour that vote is to abolish failed devolution. You keep banging on about this but where's the campaign to return to direct rule? Since devolution, the Scottish Social Attitudes study has asked the Independence v Devolution v no devolution. Note 1. Since 2013 the No Devolution support has not risen above 9% 2. Since 2016 Independence has been the most favoured option 3. In 2019 & 2021 Independence had an outright majority. Year Polling organisation/client Independence Devolution No Parliament
2021 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 52% 38% 8% 2019 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 51% 36% 7% 2017 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 45% 41% 8% 2016 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 46% 42% 8% 2015 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 39% 49% 6% 2014 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 33% 50% 7% 2013 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 29% 55% 9% 2012 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 23% 61% 11% 2011 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 32% 58% 6% 2010 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 23% 61% 10% 2009 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 28% 56% 8% 2007 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 24% 62% 9% 2006 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 30% 54% 14% 2005 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 35% 44% 14% 2004 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 32% 45% 17% 2003 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 26% 56% 13% 2002 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 30% 52% 13% 2001 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 27% 59% 9% 2000 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 30% 55% 12% 1999 Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 27% 59% 10% en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence#Scottish_Social_Attitudes_Survey So, are you going to force Direct Rule on us? Do you not know that's what the Brits did to Ireland just over a century ago? That worked well, didn't it |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 4, 2023 10:19:53 GMT
It's very simple, hold a referendum in such a way that Scotland would be mad not to vote to scrap devolution.
Use loaded leading questions and Scotland will vote to abolish devolution.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 4, 2023 12:13:42 GMT
It's very simple, hold a referendum in such a way that Scotland would be mad not to vote to scrap devolution. Use loaded leading questions and Scotland will vote to abolish devolution. 'Loaded' or 'leading' questions are designed to influence a person to respond, to the final question, in a specific way. There's no chance in hell that a referendum would go ahead as a multiple choice questionnaire. The question put to the electorate would have to be neutral e.g. the ones used in 2014 & 1999 |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 4, 2023 12:39:53 GMT
The question does not have to be neutral.
The devolved body costs a lot of money, produces a lot of shit laws and delivers poor value to taxpayers.
£21 million a year is wasted on "Constitution, external affairs, and culture."
£34.3 million a year is wasted on "Justice and Veterans" meaning prosecuting ex soldiers.
£48.6 million a year is wasted on "Net Zero, Energy and Transport".
We have a British government for such things.
It should be scrapped.
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