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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2023 19:14:54 GMT
I think the breakup of the Union is inevitable. Certainly Scotland's independence is inevitable. The question is how long will it take England to adjust to the new normal. i think the many many problems of the uk are to do with the end of empire , and the hard reality facing many people of britains situation in the 21st century as a mere regional and former world power. everywhere you look , in every aspect of society , its managed decline , failure upon failure of all aspects of governance , simplistic notions being put forward by desperate people to solve major issues , and great anger at the status quo as it stands.
Three hundred years ago , there was a purpose to the uk , wether people like me agreed with the original union or not , its undeniable england was setting out on a voyage to plunder the world and carve an empire and some scots wanted in on it rightly or wrongly , especially among the elite.
Even 40 , 50 years ago , there were great british institutions , a sort of glue that held the fraying uk nations together . Now? Nothing.
The uk originally had a purpose. Now? There is no purpose. Its redundant. Scotland either wants to be an indy nation , or of it feels the need to be part of something larger , the eu sits on our doorstep. Either way , the question keeps propping up among scots and i suspect the other nations of what is the point of the uk apart from nostaglic navel gazing rubbish of a past long gone never to return.
I totally agree. The empire is long gone, but many people have difficulty accepting the UK's new lower status position in the world. I suppose it's understandable, but the sooner they adapt to reality, the better. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 19:29:40 GMT
i think the many many problems of the uk are to do with the end of empire , and the hard reality facing many people of britains situation in the 21st century as a mere regional and former world power. everywhere you look , in every aspect of society , its managed decline , failure upon failure of all aspects of governance , simplistic notions being put forward by desperate people to solve major issues , and great anger at the status quo as it stands.
Three hundred years ago , there was a purpose to the uk , wether people like me agreed with the original union or not , its undeniable england was setting out on a voyage to plunder the world and carve an empire and some scots wanted in on it rightly or wrongly , especially among the elite.
Even 40 , 50 years ago , there were great british institutions , a sort of glue that held the fraying uk nations together . Now? Nothing.
The uk originally had a purpose. Now? There is no purpose. Its redundant. Scotland either wants to be an indy nation , or of it feels the need to be part of something larger , the eu sits on our doorstep. Either way , the question keeps propping up among scots and i suspect the other nations of what is the point of the uk apart from nostaglic navel gazing rubbish of a past long gone never to return.
I totally agree. The empire is long gone, but many people have difficulty accepting the UK's new lower status position in the world. I suppose it's understandable, but the sooner they adapt to reality, the better. you only have to look at the humiliation dished out recently to the uk regarding northern irelands status as part of the eu to see the awfull truth staring people in the face. the media do their best of course , trying but failing to prop up the uk as something that matters in world affairs , but in reality , every now and again that falling status shines through.
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2023 20:00:28 GMT
I totally agree. The empire is long gone, but many people have difficulty accepting the UK's new lower status position in the world. I suppose it's understandable, but the sooner they adapt to reality, the better. you only have to look at the humiliation dished out recently to the uk regarding northern irelands status as part of the eu to see the awfull truth staring people in the face. the media do their best of course , trying but failing to prop up the uk as something that matters in world affairs , but in reality , every now and again that falling status shines through.
It's best, I think, to just embrace the fact that empires rise and then inevitably decline. Being under the radar may be better in some ways than being a big player on the global stage. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 23, 2023 21:01:17 GMT
looking up to a french philosopher in your signature while self mocking your own country and faith. lower than a snakes belly ben e.
SuperGran is on YouTube toomy. Fill you boots .😁 You're not wrong. It is on there. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 21:03:03 GMT
SuperGran is on YouTube toomy. Fill you boots .😁 You're not wrong. It is on there. Toomy can watch it while his maw makes his tea .😁 |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 23, 2023 21:04:48 GMT
you only have to look at the humiliation dished out recently to the uk regarding northern irelands status as part of the eu to see the awfull truth staring people in the face. the media do their best of course , trying but failing to prop up the uk as something that matters in world affairs , but in reality , every now and again that falling status shines through.
It's best, I think, to just embrace the fact that empires rise and then inevitably decline. Being under the radar may be better in some ways than being a big player on the global stage. Empire was a mistake. What wasn't was the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom. It has worked for centuries. Time to abolish devolution. |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 23, 2023 21:18:47 GMT
It's best, I think, to just embrace the fact that empires rise and then inevitably decline. Being under the radar may be better in some ways than being a big player on the global stage. Empire was a mistake. What wasn't was the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom. It has worked for centuries. Time to abolish devolution. It doesn't work for everyone, Vinny. That much should be clear by now. And if the Scots don't want to continue the relationship, they shouldn't be held hostage, in my opinion. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 23, 2023 21:27:26 GMT
Empire was a mistake. What wasn't was the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom. It has worked for centuries. Time to abolish devolution. It doesn't work for everyone, Vinny. That much should be clear by now. And if the Scots don't want to continue the relationship, they shouldn't be held hostage, in my opinion. Well grow a pair and f*ck off then. Whinging about the English on an obscure forum in the dim, dusty reaches of the internet is not going to give you what you desire. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 23, 2023 22:19:57 GMT
It doesn't work for everyone, Vinny. That much should be clear by now. And if the Scots don't want to continue the relationship, they shouldn't be held hostage, in my opinion. Well grow a pair and f*ck off then. Whinging about the English on an obscure forum in the dim, dusty reaches of the internet is not going to give you what you desire. Most of us do not want to, we are quite happy with the Union, devolution seems to have been an error in that the progressives get to act out some of their control fantasies and watch Scottish Education, once the envy of many, go down the pan. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 24, 2023 0:25:38 GMT
Empire was a mistake. What wasn't was the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom. It has worked for centuries. Time to abolish devolution. It doesn't work for everyone, Vinny. That much should be clear by now. And if the Scots don't want to continue the relationship, they shouldn't be held hostage, in my opinion. They had a vote on staying in the UK which they overwhelmingly support. They have not had a vote on devolution in over 25 years. Many of the people who pay for it have never had a say. Hold a UK wide vote. Abolish it. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 24, 2023 8:53:48 GMT
It's best, I think, to just embrace the fact that empires rise and then inevitably decline. Being under the radar may be better in some ways than being a big player on the global stage. Empire was a mistake. What wasn't was the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom. It has worked for centuries. Time to abolish devolution. you started this thread claiming some american movie on scottish history was somehow all wrong and incorrect. Having failed to back up your claim , you are now reduced to screaming once again about how you dont like devolution. That 75 % of scots voted for in a free and fair referendum.
Told you before , tell you again vinny. You often scream about demcoracy , so heres how it works. Start a party , stand for the scottish parliament under abolish devolution , and if you get the majority to vote for you , enact your abolish manifesto.
Its not difficult.
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Post by thomas on Sept 24, 2023 8:55:12 GMT
It doesn't work for everyone, Vinny. That much should be clear by now. And if the Scots don't want to continue the relationship, they shouldn't be held hostage, in my opinion. Well grow a pair and f*ck off then. Whinging about the English on an obscure forum in the dim, dusty reaches of the internet is not going to give you what you desire. This is apparently a political debatng forum. Whinging about anything anyone doesnt like doesnt get anything done in the real world. The idea is though for us to discuss politics.
You wont shut down debate pacifico no matter how hard you try .
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Post by thomas on Sept 24, 2023 8:58:37 GMT
Well grow a pair and f*ck off then. Whinging about the English on an obscure forum in the dim, dusty reaches of the internet is not going to give you what you desire. Most of us do not want to, we are quite happy with the Union, devolution seems to have been an error in that the progressives get to act out some of their control fantasies and watch Scottish Education, once the envy of many, go down the pan. can you back this up please sandy? The last referendum vote was 9 years ago. In that time , the national party has constantly won every election , and of course the majority of scots voted to remain in the eu. Recent polling by find out now had 52 % of scos wanting out of your uk , with the majority of scots consistently wanting the scottish parliament to decide if scotland has another indy referendum.
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Post by thomas on Sept 24, 2023 9:01:20 GMT
It doesn't work for everyone, Vinny. That much should be clear by now. And if the Scots don't want to continue the relationship, they shouldn't be held hostage, in my opinion. They had a vote on staying in the UK which they overwhelmingly support. They have not had a vote on devolution in over 25 years. Many of the people who pay for it have never had a say. Hold a UK wide vote. Abolish it. So not able to find the courage of your own convictions , and have a party stand on abolishing the scottish parliament thorugh the usual demcoratic means , you now want to use englands larger popualtion similar to the brexit fiasco to force through your views on abolishing the scottish parliament?
imagine we had a european union wide vote on brexit , and all us europeans voted to stop england leaving the eu , you would be the first to go into meltdown at the clear anti democratic situation.
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Post by thomas on Sept 24, 2023 9:03:23 GMT
Empire was a mistake. What wasn't was the Act of Union creating the United Kingdom. It has worked for centuries. Time to abolish devolution. It doesn't work for everyone, Vinny. That much should be clear by now. And if the Scots don't want to continue the relationship, they shouldn't be held hostage, in my opinion. the republic of ireland left a century ago. Northern ireland had thirty years of troubles , and now has one foot out the door. Wales has growing support for welsh indy , and scotland is self explanatory.
...but the union has worked for centuries vinny cries.
Vinny is in denial .
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