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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 22, 2023 16:28:09 GMT
Braveheart hasn't got the last of the V8 Interceptors though.
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Post by walterpaisley on Sept 22, 2023 16:55:22 GMT
Braveheart hasn't got the last of the V8 Interceptors though. ..and Max doesn't get to use a claymore. Swings and roundabouts. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 22, 2023 18:24:56 GMT
Intellectual? The correct answer is “ It’s only a fucking film” but you took the bait . I was told that Braveheart triggered a lot of sweaties at the time .😁 i dont know ben E . Im not sure anyone on this forum is going to take seriously a man who believes in talking snakes jumping into a thread questioning the validity of scottish history.
Thats sort of the point im making to your rather more excitbale countrymen , who seem to be in utter outrage at some american blockbuster film simply because once again history poo poos all over bwitian and the homogenous bwitish people. (no laughing at the back please.)
Oh the old Talking snakes lie that you copied from Darling . Did I hit a nerve ? Get over it Braveheart was about as authentic as Barbie the movie . Tommy thinks Whiskey galore was a documentary . See I can do that . Hoes the bid for FREEDOM! going? 😆 |
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Post by walterpaisley on Sept 22, 2023 18:50:29 GMT
Tommy thinks Whiskey galore was a documentary. If he does, that wouldn't be too wide of the mark. Compton McKenzie based his story on the grounding of the S.S Politician in 1941,and the subsequent looting of thousands of bottles of Scotch. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 22, 2023 19:00:41 GMT
Tommy thinks Whiskey galore was a documentary. If he does, that wouldn't be too wide of the mark. Compton McKenzie based his story on the grounding of the S.S Politician in 1941,and the subsequent looting of thousands of bottles of Scotch. I know. That’s why I posted it. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 10:13:59 GMT
im waiting on my mate vinny gettin back to me about how all the film braveheart was wrong. It took about ten minutes this morning at the start of my working day to quash the guff in his scotsman article , and since ...silence.
Who needs history when you have newspapers to tell vinny and co what to think and feel.?
I prefer Mad Max myself. It may not be quite so historically accurate but at least the lead character doesn't have sex with a 4 year old. neither does the lead character in braveheart. If the isabella of france love story is the greatest inaccuracy the films detractors can come up with to squeal about , then randall wallace must be doing something right.
I suspect randall got the french burd as wallaces lover from the scottish historian nigel tranters book on william wallace , where tranter has wallace fighting for the french king against les anglais in France at one point and takes on a french noble woman as his concubine.
Not sure where tranter got this information from , perhaps its in the stuff written by blnd harry.
Good film though mad max .!
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 10:17:33 GMT
It flagged rather in 2014. Didn't Mrs Murrell promise another shot in Oct 2023, perhaps you might get lucky this time, let us know how you get on. I dont know om , but rather than scottish nationalism flagging , i think its your britishness thats going down the tube. The scots and welsh up in arms , northern ireland one foot out the door and ready to rejoin their brethern in the south who left a century ago.
Coupled with starmer and his new labour europeans about to win the next election and drag you back into the eu , cant see much of a future for bwitain can you ommy? its either going to split apart , or be swallowed whole by the mighty eu.
I fink mrs murrell is the least of your worries.
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 10:25:53 GMT
I prefer Mad Max myself. It may not be quite so historically accurate.. It's not historically accurate at all. There's a theory that it's set in 1985. There should be far more mullets. (In that one aspect at least, Braveheart gets the points.) all this fuss over a movie walter. I must say im rather touched at how easily outraged our more excitable english cousins are over some silly movie. if bwitishness is so so fragile that some yank blockbuster from 30 years ago sends it into meltdown , i cant see much future for the bwitish identity myself.
Braveheart upsetting our bwitish nationalist heroes on here must be up there with brexiters voting to leave the EU cause the albanians were eating our swans.
Did you know former british prime minister david cameron banned the world famous outlander series , by the yank writer diana gabaldon , because he was also extremely worried about it upsetting his british nationalism? A fictional love story by some dreamy american woman upset the british to much sniggering worldwide , such is the fragility of the bwitish mentality.
i would have thought with the state of the yookay today , there would be more improtant things to worry about than some yank blockbuster movie and a fictional love story set in the north west of scotland , but there we go.
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 23, 2023 10:37:39 GMT
I prefer Mad Max myself. It may not be quite so historically accurate but at least the lead character doesn't have sex with a 4 year old. neither does the lead character in braveheart. If the isabella of france love story is the greatest inaccuracy the films detractors can come up with to squeal about , then randall wallace must be doing something right.
I suspect randall got the french burd as wallaces lover from the scottish historian nigel tranters book on william wallace , where tranter has wallace fighting for the french king against les anglais in France at one point and takes on a french noble woman as his concubine.
Not sure where tranter got this information from , perhaps its in the stuff written by blnd harry.
Good film though mad max .!
It seems to have been included in the film as an inference that the child she bore was his and not Edward I's thereby making Edward II and all subsequent royal bloodlines that of Wallace. It's probably the biggest lie of the whole film. Two things though, Edward II turned out to be a son that Longshanks would have happily disowned and Isabella was only 4 at the time her romance with Wallace was portrayed. So for it to have been true Wallace was a pedo and his son was an effete waste of space so hated that he was murdered in a most unpleasant manner and nobody cared. All in all a little dig at the English that backfired spectacularly. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 23, 2023 11:10:14 GMT
My own view is that Braveheart deserves its place in the Pantheon of Hollywood Historical Epics including Objective Burma, U-571, Troy, The Six Wives of Henry VIII, 633 Squadron, Hidden Figures, The Great Escape, Schindlers List, The Adventures of Robin Hood and the hopefully soon-to-be honoured, Wally's forthcoming retread of El Cid
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 11:13:39 GMT
neither does the lead character in braveheart. If the isabella of france love story is the greatest inaccuracy the films detractors can come up with to squeal about , then randall wallace must be doing something right.
I suspect randall got the french burd as wallaces lover from the scottish historian nigel tranters book on william wallace , where tranter has wallace fighting for the french king against les anglais in France at one point and takes on a french noble woman as his concubine.
Not sure where tranter got this information from , perhaps its in the stuff written by blnd harry.
Good film though mad max .!
It seems to have been included in the film as an inference that the child she bore was his and not Edward I's thereby making Edward II and all subsequent royal bloodlines that of Wallace. It's probably the biggest lie of the whole film. Two things though, Edward II turned out to be a son that Longshanks would have happily disowned and Isabella was only 4 at the time her romance with Wallace was portrayed. So for it to have been true Wallace was a pedo and his son was an effete waste of space so hated that he was murdered in a most unpleasant manner and nobody cared. All in all a little dig at the English that backfired spectacularly. we have went over all this monte.
she wasnt a four year old child(in the film) , and we have already agreed this part of the film was nothing more than made up theatre for the audience. If this is the best you can do to ridicule scottish history that isabella of france wasnt really wallaces lover so braveheart is all made up nonsense that must be dismissed , it seems to be nothing more than petty muck raking . its pretty desperate stuff monte.
i would agree. but the point is , we have went from vinny claiming the whole braveheart film was all made up nonsense in his first post , to now some desperate attempt to rake through the mud and find something , anything ,however minor , that can be used as evidence some part of the film was "made up".
The majority of the film was based on true events , and so far all we have to quash this is but ....but ....what about isabella? As i said mate desperate stuff.
so the film got the bit about the strained relationship with edward and his son correct you say? ....and once again we are back to the but ....but ...what about isabella? The isabella thing appears to be all thats wrong so far.
you arent making sense monte. We have been over the desperate isabella point time and again. as for eddie the second , if i recall my history correct , he was allegedly gay , did have a male lover among the anglo norman nobility , and was murdered in real life by the anglo nobles. Are you confirming yet more parts of the film being correct yet again? 
im not sure about that. the whole thread is an embarresing spectacle that reflects badly on british nationalism as i keep saying .
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 11:15:41 GMT
My own view is that Braveheart deserves its place in the Pantheon of Hollywood Historical Epics including Objective Burma, U-571, Troy, The Six Wives of Henry VIII, 633 Squadron, Hidden Figures, The Great Escape, Schindlers List, The Adventures of Robin Hood and the hopefully soon-to-be honoured, Wally's forthcoming retread of El Cid cheers dan. The question im asking my illustrious english /british cousins is whats historically inaccurate in the film? So far , we have a bit of mumbling about isabella of france and blue face paint and thats it , and the op author , vinny , has went spectacularly quiet.
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 23, 2023 11:51:31 GMT
Longshanks' life story would make a better film. He's a proper badass.
Walter may be able to help here, has there ever been an historical, fact based film about Longshanks?
I can't think of one.
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 12:03:26 GMT
Longshanks' life story would make a better film. He's a proper badass. Walter may be able to help here, has there ever been an historical, fact based film about Longshanks? I can't think of one. I thought the english cant stand the french , yet here you are wanting to make a film about a french speaking king of england.? 
I tell you monte , im really dissapointed. The thread started so well , and seems to be ending on a damp squib. Here i was , expecting my elders and betters to shake scottish nationalism to its foundations with revelations of the historical inaccuracy of braveheart , and so far , we have isabella of France, blue face paint , and a bit of ambiguity of the names of some minor characters that may or may not be true as evidence from the bwitish that braveheart is all nonsense.
I mean its not as is you dont have enough source material? The film is nearly three hours long , depicting some 44 years of scottish history at the end of the 13th and early 14th centuries and thats the best the bwitish can do.
Bleating about some french burd, a bit of blue make up and someones name might be wrong.? Fuck me. If this film has shaken the foundations of the bwitish state to its core , then the bwitish state must be built on quicksand.
Vinny might have a cardiac arrest if someone ever does a cartoon film about king Bridei mac Bili and the battle of Dunnichen in the 7th century .
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 23, 2023 12:12:18 GMT
My entire knowledge about Picts comes from Pink Floyd.
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