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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 21, 2023 16:19:56 GMT
Starmer vows not to 'diverge from EU' as Labour leader wants to 'share future' with BrusselsSir Keir Starmer has vowed not to diverge from the European Union as the Labour leader hopes to forge closer relations with Brussels. The Leader of the Opposition appeared to go beyond his often cautious comments about Brexit at an event on Saturday alongside the Norwegian leader Jonas Gahr Store. Responding to a question from former Tony Blair aide John McTernan, Sir Keir said: "Most of the conflict with the UK being outside of the EU arises in so far as the UK wants to diverge and do different things to the rest of our EU partners. Obviously the more we share values, the more we share a future together, the less the conflict. linkIt would seem Starmer has decided to double down on his support for the EU. Sounds like Blair has got to him.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 21, 2023 16:43:05 GMT
Starmer vows not to 'diverge from EU' as Labour leader wants to 'share future' with BrusselsSir Keir Starmer has vowed not to diverge from the European Union as the Labour leader hopes to forge closer relations with Brussels. The Leader of the Opposition appeared to go beyond his often cautious comments about Brexit at an event on Saturday alongside the Norwegian leader Jonas Gahr Store. Responding to a question from former Tony Blair aide John McTernan, Sir Keir said: "Most of the conflict with the UK being outside of the EU arises in so far as the UK wants to diverge and do different things to the rest of our EU partners. Obviously the more we share values, the more we share a future together, the less the conflict. linkIt would seem Starmer has decided to double down on his support for the EU. Sounds like Blair has got to him. More decisions between them go on at the commons bar than the pantomime for the public digestion, that is something you can be assured of Red. As for Blair well we all know what a sticky fingered character he is, if you pretend you don't, then you are lying to yourself as well as anybody else you might come in contact with. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 4:07:33 GMT
Brilliant.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2023 13:21:35 GMT
Indeed. He appears to be shooting himself in both feet. He insists on forcing people into fuel poverty with net zero, and he wants to take us back into the EU. He really doesn't want to win the election does he. Good man. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 6:49:46 GMT
Indeed. He appears to be shooting himself in both feet. He insists on forcing people into fuel poverty with net zero, and he wants to take us back into the EU. He really doesn't want to win the election does he. Good man. Net zero forcing people into poverty is an opinion, people are in poverty without net zero plans and our dependence on fossil fuels. It will, of course, cost to set up the infrastructure, develop the technology and implement net zero but the price of using fossil fuels is even higher, on our pockets, for our planet and for our health. If we lead with net zero technology we will be in at the start instead of having to buy the technology later, that's just common sense. Although that comes to nought if you believe there is no climate emergency, as Trump does. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 25, 2023 7:14:29 GMT
Indeed. He appears to be shooting himself in both feet. He insists on forcing people into fuel poverty with net zero, and he wants to take us back into the EU. He really doesn't want to win the election does he. Good man. Net zero forcing people into poverty is an opinion, people are in poverty without net zero plans and our dependence on fossil fuels. It will, of course, cost to set up the infrastructure, develop the technology and implement net zero but the price of using fossil fuels is even higher, on our pockets, for our planet and for our health. If we lead with net zero technology we will be in at the start instead of having to buy the technology later, that's just common sense. Although that comes to nought if you believe there is no climate emergency, as Trump does. Total bollocks rr......There os no need whatsoever for Net Zero. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 25, 2023 7:18:38 GMT
Indeed. He appears to be shooting himself in both feet. He insists on forcing people into fuel poverty with net zero, and he wants to take us back into the EU. He really doesn't want to win the election does he. Good man. Net zero forcing people into poverty is an opinion, people are in poverty without net zero plans and our dependence on fossil fuels. It will, of course, cost to set up the infrastructure, develop the technology and implement net zero but the price of using fossil fuels is even higher, on our pockets, for our planet and for our health. If we lead with net zero technology we will be in at the start instead of having to buy the technology later, that's just common sense. Although that comes to nought if you believe there is no climate emergency, as Trump does. No it is not - the cost of Net Zero is £50 Billion a year. That is £50 Billion that we wouldnt have to spend if we decided not to go down that route. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 7:57:20 GMT
Net zero forcing people into poverty is an opinion, people are in poverty without net zero plans and our dependence on fossil fuels. It will, of course, cost to set up the infrastructure, develop the technology and implement net zero but the price of using fossil fuels is even higher, on our pockets, for our planet and for our health. If we lead with net zero technology we will be in at the start instead of having to buy the technology later, that's just common sense. Although that comes to nought if you believe there is no climate emergency, as Trump does. Total bollocks rr......There os no need whatsoever for Net Zero. Do you know what net zero is? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 7:58:45 GMT
Net zero forcing people into poverty is an opinion, people are in poverty without net zero plans and our dependence on fossil fuels. It will, of course, cost to set up the infrastructure, develop the technology and implement net zero but the price of using fossil fuels is even higher, on our pockets, for our planet and for our health. If we lead with net zero technology we will be in at the start instead of having to buy the technology later, that's just common sense. Although that comes to nought if you believe there is no climate emergency, as Trump does. No it is not - the cost of Net Zero is £50 Billion a year. That is £50 Billion that we wouldnt have to spend if we decided not to go down that route. Is that counting the savings made by insulation or the revenue for selling our products on or the cheaper bills...............? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 9:49:25 GMT
Indeed. He appears to be shooting himself in both feet. He insists on forcing people into fuel poverty with net zero, and he wants to take us back into the EU. He really doesn't want to win the election does he. Good man. Net zero forcing people into poverty is an opinion, people are in poverty without net zero plans and our dependence on fossil fuels. It will, of course, cost to set up the infrastructure, develop the technology and implement net zero but the price of using fossil fuels is even higher, on our pockets, for our planet and for our health. If we lead with net zero technology we will be in at the start instead of having to buy the technology later, that's just common sense. Although that comes to nought if you believe there is no climate emergency, as Trump does. Your ridiculous point of view has been soundly trashed an the appropriate threads. Several of them. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 25, 2023 10:08:43 GMT
Net zero when there is sufficient infrastructure like nuclear power, biofuels / synthetic fuels etc, no problem.
Net zero without infrastructure = chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 10:23:50 GMT
Net zero forcing people into poverty is an opinion, people are in poverty without net zero plans and our dependence on fossil fuels. It will, of course, cost to set up the infrastructure, develop the technology and implement net zero but the price of using fossil fuels is even higher, on our pockets, for our planet and for our health. If we lead with net zero technology we will be in at the start instead of having to buy the technology later, that's just common sense. Although that comes to nought if you believe there is no climate emergency, as Trump does. Your ridiculous point of view has been soundly trashed an the appropriate threads. Several of them. My ridiculous point of view about net zero has been soundly trashed in other threads?? Your problem, seems to be, that you do not like people disagreeing with you because your arguments are weak. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 25, 2023 11:03:55 GMT
What EU policies do you not want to diverge from and why?
And without infrastructure including lots of nuclear power stations, fuel synthesis / algal biofuels, Net Zero will be missed anyway.
Every new electric car produces as much CO2 during construction as keeping an old car on the road for fifty thousand miles.
Don't take my word for it, Google it.
I learned this whilst listening to Radio 4.
Oh and there isn't enough capacity in the grid for everyone to have electric cars anyway.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 25, 2023 11:22:43 GMT
No it is not - the cost of Net Zero is £50 Billion a year. That is £50 Billion that we wouldnt have to spend if we decided not to go down that route. Is that counting the savings made by insulation or the revenue for selling our products on or the cheaper bills...............? well most people already have insulation and who has cheaper bills? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 13:55:43 GMT
What EU policies do you not want to diverge from and why? And without infrastructure including lots of nuclear power stations, fuel synthesis / algal biofuels, Net Zero will be missed anyway. Every new electric car produces as much CO2 during construction as keeping an old car on the road for fifty thousand miles. Don't take my word for it, Google it. I learned this whilst listening to Radio 4. Oh and there isn't enough capacity in the grid for everyone to have electric cars anyway. The construction process is being refined all the time, that's what happens with new technology. Infrastructure is something that can be improved by proper investment, the good outweighs the bad. |
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