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Post by vlk on Nov 5, 2022 17:23:22 GMT
The ageing population-problem is in every western country. That is due to the very high birth-rates following the war in the late 1940s and all those people are now old. That problem will solve itself if we are patient.
Fixing the ageing population-problem by immigration is just kicking the can down the road. It is like curing hangover by having another drink.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 5, 2022 17:43:04 GMT
Im not only refering to lammys inquiry what was conducted by a independent body.
But also the inquiry by the guardian news paper what was also commented by a independent body .
Both found racial produced against Bame and immigrants. When charging and conviction concerned.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 5, 2022 22:09:01 GMT
Im not only refering to lammys inquiry what was conducted by a independent body. But also the inquiry by the guardian news paper what was also commented by a independent body . Both found racial produced against Bame and immigrants. When charging and conviction concerned. Well highlighting one aspect perhaps it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation; "A symptom of the bias problem, the MP said, was the mistrust shown by BAME defendants. “They see the system in terms of ‘them and us’" Which feeds in to what I said in that it may be that attitudes may be fixed and it is not necessarily only fixed on one side. I will repeat what I said that black people in terms of the UK will not generally be from the EU economic area they will be British citizens and as such will be counted on the side of what you term the native British. Perhaps you have a link to where 'immigrants' are treated differently within the reports. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 6, 2022 21:29:20 GMT
The ageing population-problem is in every western country. That is due to the very high birth-rates following the war in the late 1940s and all those people are now old. That problem will solve itself if we are patient. Fixing the ageing population-problem by immigration is just kicking the can down the road. It is like curing hangover by having another drink. That was a thing, but not anymore. The population of the West is now dropping because when women are educated and have the chance of a good career, they have fewer children. It takes 2.2 children per women to maintain the population... how many women do you know with more than 2 kids these days? The majority of the world's population increase is in Africa and Asian... Europe without immigration would be top heavy and fucked. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 6, 2022 21:31:40 GMT
The ageing population-problem is in every western country. That is due to the very high birth-rates following the war in the late 1940s and all those people are now old. That problem will solve itself if we are patient. Fixing the ageing population-problem by immigration is just kicking the can down the road. It is like curing hangover by having another drink. That was a thing, but not anymore. The population of the West is now dropping because when women are educated and have the chance of a good career, they have fewer children. It takes 2.2 children per women to maintain the population... how many women do you know with more than 2 kids these days? The majority of the world's population increase is in Africa and Asian... Europe without immigration would be top heavy and fucked. LOL well that's good to know, as though it ain't fecked already. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 6, 2022 23:41:35 GMT
The ageing population-problem is in every western country. That is due to the very high birth-rates following the war in the late 1940s and all those people are now old. That problem will solve itself if we are patient. Fixing the ageing population-problem by immigration is just kicking the can down the road. It is like curing hangover by having another drink. That was a thing, but not anymore. The population of the West is now dropping because when women are educated and have the chance of a good career, they have fewer children. It takes 2.2 children per women to maintain the population... how many women do you know with more than 2 kids these days? The majority of the world's population increase is in Africa and Asian... Europe without immigration would be top heavy and fucked. Have to say that even though I'm anti mass immigration you make a valid point with that educated women have less kids so the population declines point |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 4:58:31 GMT
The ageing population-problem is in every western country. That is due to the very high birth-rates following the war in the late 1940s and all those people are now old. That problem will solve itself if we are patient. Fixing the ageing population-problem by immigration is just kicking the can down the road. It is like curing hangover by having another drink. That was a thing, but not anymore. The population of the West is now dropping because when women are educated and have the chance of a good career, they have fewer children. It takes 2.2 children per women to maintain the population... how many women do you know with more than 2 kids these days? The majority of the world's population increase is in Africa and Asian... Europe without immigration would be top heavy and fucked. Another factor in women having fewer children on average is the cost of living factor. So many people find it a struggle to survive already that the cost of parenthood is beyond them. Such factors as insecure and expensive private tenancies and unaffordable house prices mean millions struggle even for the housing security necessary to have kids with confidence. And for those whose financial circumstances mean that they need both potential parents to work, there is the fact that childcare is unaffordable and economically a deterrent to work unless you are on a very high salary. Those doing what right wingers insist they do, ie not having children they cannot afford, are having fewer of them if they have any at all, and often later in life. Child bearing would be at a far lower level without taxpayer support, necessitating far higher levels of immigration. The right cannot have it both ways here. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 5:17:40 GMT
The ageing population-problem is in every western country. That is due to the very high birth-rates following the war in the late 1940s and all those people are now old. That problem will solve itself if we are patient. Fixing the ageing population-problem by immigration is just kicking the can down the road. It is like curing hangover by having another drink. Indeed you are correct. Solving the demographic problem by importing more working age people to pay for pensioners is just a massive pyramid scheme because they in turn will grow old and require pensions. If we are top heavy with too many non-working older people needing to be supported we somehow need a solution to that that does not require an ever growing population. We need to pay for pensioners out of our own means somehow, with wealthier pensioners themselves making a higher contribution by, for example, abolishing their exemption from NI payments. And perhaps we need to encourage those older people who are capable of working for longer to continue doing so. I would hate to see compulsion here, but making it worth their while in such a way that they are always substantially better off in work would be a start. Take my own case as an example. I hit state pension age in under ten years time. As things stand today I would get my state pension, topped up by a minimum income guarantee, plus rent and council tax paid, altogether worth nearly £1100 a month. Nearly half of that is means tested, ie for every pound I earn I would lose a pound. So the first 500 quid or so I worked for would be de facto working for nothing. So I would be massively disincentivised from continuing to work at all if the first 500 I earn is just being lost elsewhere. That is the harsh reality for many which actively discourages continuing to work. How to solve that in ways that do not reintroduce mass pensioner poverty is not easy. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 7, 2022 8:56:17 GMT
The ageing population-problem is in every western country. That is due to the very high birth-rates following the war in the late 1940s and all those people are now old. That problem will solve itself if we are patient. Fixing the ageing population-problem by immigration is just kicking the can down the road. It is like curing hangover by having another drink. Indeed you are correct. Solving the demographic problem by importing more working age people to pay for pensioners is just a massive pyramid scheme because they in turn will grow old and require pensions. If we are top heavy with too many non-working older people needing to be supported we somehow need a solution to that that does not require an ever growing population. We need to pay for pensioners out of our own means somehow, with wealthier pensioners themselves making a higher contribution by, for example, abolishing their exemption from NI payments. And perhaps we need to encourage those older people who are capable of working for longer to continue doing so. I would hate to see compulsion here, but making it worth their while in such a way that they are always substantially better off in work would be a start. Take my own case as an example. I hit state pension age in under ten years time. As things stand today I would get my state pension, topped up by a minimum income guarantee, plus rent and council tax paid, altogether worth nearly £1100 a month. Nearly half of that is means tested, ie for every pound I earn I would lose a pound. So the first 500 quid or so I worked for would be de facto working for nothing. So I would be massively disincentivised from continuing to work at all if the first 500 I earn is just being lost elsewhere. That is the harsh reality for many which actively discourages continuing to work. How to solve that in ways that do not reintroduce mass pensioner poverty is not easy. I hit state pension age 20 years ago. In addition to state pension I also receive a SERPS payment. When I took out a private pension I was asked if I wanted to stop my SERPS contribution, something many people did, however I chose to continue with SERPS contributions. If you ask HMRC whether state pensions are tax deductible they'll tell you no. However when you add it to a private pension it is added to state pension for tax purposes, as a result of which I pay a lump of income tax on all my income. State pension is annually increased, normally by a small percentage, my private pension is stable and since my pensions began, I have seen a serious decline in the buying power but no decline in the amount of tax I pay. I took out my private pension, early, just weeks before Gordon Brown raided pensions, something which would have reduced my private pension buy some 40%; according to the latest news, that is something about to happen again. When I started my private pension a got tax relief on contributions but that was another con since I am now paying tax, not just on my private pension but, as outlined above, on all my income, a total over the past 20 years of £20,000+ |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2022 9:43:08 GMT
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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 10:44:14 GMT
How is your study for maths O-level progressing Dan?  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2022 11:18:57 GMT
Dappy will be pleased to note that non-WB got a few more runs on the board by the last year of the sample period, 2019.
236,493 live births or 37% of the total. Still holding their end up, idle white British hardly getting to 59%.
Dappy likes this picture.
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Post by Orac on Nov 7, 2022 11:32:49 GMT
The majority of the world's population increase is in Africa and Asian... Europe without immigration would be top heavy and fucked. Na. I think it would mean some people lose money in the short-term, but eventually the lack of crowding would make having children attractive again. The current forced overcrowding situation is acting as a reproductive disincentive for responsible people |
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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 11:43:42 GMT
Good that you have edited your first post Dan and at least now made it add to 100%!!
You still have your figures wrong I am afraid.
For births where ethnicity is known, 74% of children were white (of which 62% white British and 12% other white skinned - (presumably mostly to east europeans).
The average for the last ten years was 75%, so rate seems to have broadly stabilised.
Making some reasonable assumptions, it looks like Muslim children are around 7%-10%.
Dappy isn't overly fussed what colour skin people living here choose to have children have but is pleased that the overall number is high enough to produce enough people to do the work when existing work force retires in say 25 years time.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2022 12:05:17 GMT
"You still have your figures wrong I am afraid.
For births where ethnicity is known, 74% of children were white (of which 62% white British and 12% other white skinned - (presumably mostly to east europeans). "
This doesn't seem so very different to the figures I gave for the ten-year period: 63% white British. The 'white other' is 10% not 12% according to the ONS.
"The average for the last ten years was 75%, so rate seems to have broadly stabilised."
The white British live births figure has reduced from 66% in 2010 to 59% over the ten-year period, so this has been anything but stable. Dropping like a stone more like, and not just in terms of percentage - white British live births were almost 100,000 less in 2019 compared to ten years earlier.
It's the future of white, native Britons that is my concern, not the colour of the skin of the imported worker bees and their offspring who you deem to be essential. That seems to be a difficult concept for you to grapple with, why is that?
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