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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 7:47:39 GMT
That's good. Don't agree with you on plastic waste being worse than exhaust waste. Exhaust gasses disperses in minutes where plastic doesent and will be around in thousands of years to come. Plastic disperses in a few days. Unfortunately it doesn't go away. Just the same as exhaust gasses. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 14, 2023 7:59:04 GMT
The only exhaust gas that we get from petrol cars nowadays is CO2, which is a natural and essential constituent of the atmosphere. And there is NO evidence that CO2 has any bad effects on the Earth. At least no one has come up with any yet. And it does get absorbed into plants over time. Man-made CO2 is only about 30% of the CO2 in the atmosphere - most comes from other sources.
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Post by Orac on Sept 14, 2023 8:25:44 GMT
Just because the conditions 'can be found' in the west doesn't mean they have a high (or reasonable) standard of living by western standards. The Beijing coast area is rich (western standard), the rest not very. Of course. The numbers vary, but that makes your claim untrue as well This is what i would expect. The core focus for your interest in GW is the dismantling of the western social model and the humiliation and dis-empowering of western people. So, when you see the graph depicting China's emissions, you become disinterested and shrug (become an intellectual contortionist) |
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Post by see2 on Sept 14, 2023 8:54:43 GMT
The population of China is roughly the equivalent of 20 countries with a population of 70.5 million people. Most of these people live a very basic lifestyle and emit very little carbon. The portion of the Chinese population competing with the west, emits a great deal (as you can see) Yes, but isn't the very basic lifestyle of "most" Chinese people one of the problems for China, in raising their standard of living? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 9:02:17 GMT
The only exhaust gas that we get from petrol cars nowadays is CO2, which is a natural and essential constituent of the atmosphere. And there is NO evidence that CO2 has any bad effects on the Earth. At least no one has come up with any yet. And it does get absorbed into plants over time. Man-made CO2 is only about 30% of the CO2 in the atmosphere - most comes from other sources. Yeah sure. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 9:03:19 GMT
Of course. The numbers vary, but that makes your claim untrue as well This is what i would expect. The core focus for your interest in GW is the dismantling of the western social model and the humiliation and dis-empowering of western people. So, when you see the graph depicting China's emissions, you become disinterested and shrug (become an intellectual contortionist) Yes i spend my waking hours dismantling of the western social model and the humiliation and dis-empowering of western people. Sigh. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 14, 2023 9:22:03 GMT
Exhaust gasses disperses in minutes where plastic doesent and will be around in thousands of years to come. Plastic disperses in a few days. Unfortunately it doesn't go away. Just the same as exhaust gasses. To go where? Our frigging oceans are full of the stuff and there is hardly anything you can drink or eat that isn't contaminated by plastics. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 14, 2023 9:23:04 GMT
Most of these people live a very basic lifestyle and emit very little carbon. The portion of the Chinese population competing with the west, emits a great deal (as you can see) Yes, but isn't the very basic lifestyle of "most" Chinese people one of the problems for China, in raising their standard of living? Indeed. even if China doesn't get into a major tangle with the US , you can expect China's emissions in particular to go absolutely stratospheric over the next few decades. There is only a moderate (IMHO) chance that China wont get into a major tangle with the US and, if the likely happens, carbon emissions world-wide will go through the roof and nobody will be talking about it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 14, 2023 14:23:56 GMT
A good article showing that the drive to Net Zero is starting to gain some powerful opposition.
GMB is one of the biggest union donors to the Labour party, but when it comes to oil, Smith’s position is closer to the Tories. ‘There will be more drilling in the North Sea,’ he says. ‘What are we going to do? Put up the infrastructure and have nothing to plug in? It’ll look great, but we’ll be watching it in the dark.’
He describes the green levies that have added £170 a year to every household bill as a modern-day poll tax, ‘disproportionately paid for by the poorest’. ‘The poor pay the same as everybody else. It doesn’t matter if you’re in a leaky, freezing council house. You’re paying basically the same for renewables.’
These kinds of impositions might be tolerated, he says, if there were any sign of the ‘green jobs’ promised by every government since Tony Blair. ‘Communities up and down the east coast can see wind farms,’ says Smith. ‘But they can’t point to the jobs.’ Much of the green work seems to be either London-based lobbying, or clearing away the animal casualties of wind-farm blades: ‘It’s usually a man in a rowing boat, sweeping up the dead birds.’
What’s gone wrong with the green jobs initiative? Smith’s answer is simple – everything is built elsewhere, then imported to the UK.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 14, 2023 14:38:41 GMT
"What’s gone wrong with the green jobs initiative? Smith’s answer is simple – everything is built elsewhere, then imported to the UK."
That's nothing to do with Net Zero, the UK has never been a participant in the renewable power sector.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 14, 2023 17:51:53 GMT
"What’s gone wrong with the green jobs initiative? Smith’s answer is simple – everything is built elsewhere, then imported to the UK." That's nothing to do with Net Zero, the UK has never been a participant in the renewable power sector. Well that is really his point - we are shutting down real jobs in existing energy production industries for non-existent 'green jobs' in industries that we dont have. Net Zero is going to decimate working-class communities. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 17:54:08 GMT
Plastic disperses in a few days. Unfortunately it doesn't go away. Just the same as exhaust gasses. To go where? Our frigging oceans are full of the stuff and there is hardly anything you can drink or eat that isn't contaminated by plastics. You miss my point Jonsky. I never claimed plastics go away, simply that they disperse. Chuck your drink bottle in the river it disperses out to sea. Pump exhaust gasses out your boiler and they disperse into the atmosphere. In neither case do they disappear, they both hang around for centuries. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 17:55:06 GMT
"What’s gone wrong with the green jobs initiative? Smith’s answer is simple – everything is built elsewhere, then imported to the UK." That's nothing to do with Net Zero, the UK has never been a participant in the renewable power sector. Well that is really his point - we are shutting down real jobs in existing energy production industries for non-existent 'green jobs' in industries that we dont have. Net Zero is going to decimate working-class communities. How? |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 14, 2023 17:58:23 GMT
Well that is really his point - we are shutting down real jobs in existing energy production industries for non-existent 'green jobs' in industries that we dont have. Net Zero is going to decimate working-class communities. How? read the article.. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 18:02:56 GMT
Sorry yes. So because the Tories have once again created a levy that is not progressive it will harm the working classes. I say don't scrap Net Zero. Scrap the Tories and their unfair levy. |
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