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Post by bancroft on Sept 20, 2023 12:11:53 GMT
Yet did its ice sheet shrink as most is on land not water like the North Pole? Can I have a link please. As far as I know this didn't happen. We just would not know unless they tried to test all the layers of ice to determine if there were breaks in deposition. I saw a map just yesterday on my youtube, dated 18,000 years ago, Italy was joined with Africa and Greece was joined with Turkey.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 20, 2023 13:04:06 GMT
Two points your crazy argument ignores. 1, Had humans been around during those super hot or super cold periods they would have all died. 2, The population of the world demands much more control of it than 5,000 years ago. Your claims that our grandchildren (assuming we follow the deniers advice and do nothing) are going to experience "some change" is just your opinion. It is not the opinion of the experts on the subject. Would you care to name one less than 10,000 years ago? Hint: the medieval warm period was not global, but still had dramatic effects on the population. So if by adjusting their lives accordingly you mean they will suffer food shortages and new diseases stoically you might be right. I don't think they remember you kindly though. Again, you cry "deniers!!!", because you refuse to listen to other opinions and want to turn it into a polar issue. Deniers are on the fringe, nobody cares about their opinions. The ACTUAL DEBATE is the pace of change people are willing to accept, and the only thing your insistence of trying to label everybody a "denier" does, is make you fail to understand the situation. The other thing you are doing is using the worst case "doomsday" prediction as the most likely to happen. Science has given us predictions that spread between best / worst case... normal, sensible people, would pick the middle ground as the most likely. As for the "history will remember" nonsense, who fucking cares, I'll be dead lol. I could easily switch around that around. Imagine you inflict severe financial hardship on people, and then boffins invent something that removes the problem 50 years later. "History" will critisise your doomsday cultish over-reaction lol. When has there been a rapid change of temperature during human history (300,000 years) ... 1816 eruption of Mount Tambora, Medievel Warm Period, Little Ice Age, 8.2 kiloyear event, Younger Dryas and multiple glacial events lol. You talk like we have lived fixed existences... people have also moved because of the climate... they will continue to do so...
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Post by zanygame on Sept 20, 2023 17:57:59 GMT
Can I have a link please. As far as I know this didn't happen. We just would not know unless they tried to test all the layers of ice to determine if there were breaks in deposition. I saw a map just yesterday on my youtube, dated 18,000 years ago, Italy was joined with Africa and Greece was joined with Turkey. We do test ice cores. We also have written records from Viking times. But when someone says something happened they usually have evidence to back it up. Greece Turkey joined. Are you referring to the physical land bridge due to the much lower Mediterranean sea or the fact that Turkey used to extend into Bulgaria?
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Post by sandypine on Sept 20, 2023 19:42:13 GMT
Seems like you do not want to. Governments across the globe have taken on board the IPCC assessment report and the WEF position. When the elites of the world join in unison on any policy then it is time to ask searching questions. A simple one would be where is the data that shows that 95% of climate scientists agree with the MMGW scenario. In terms of basics that cannot be any more basic yet no one can answer the question but still repeat the value. That makes a strange way to run any policy and intrinsically a worrying one. Not helped by the cult like blindness of those who profess to have open minds. Simple to answer? So how would one answer it beyond stating that the poll was taken and the answer given. climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20the%20vast%20majority%20of,global%20warming%20and%20climate%20change. They also provide a helpful list of institutes and academies that have issued statements. Been away for a week and just found this reply. To recap Zany used the phrase "just so you can drag up a blogger who disagrees with 95% of climatologists." I of course asked where was the evidence that 95% of climatologists has a specific view and now the result is in Of course in the first instance the definitions are askew. You referred to climatologists whereas the assessment refers to actively publishing climate scientists. This raises many questions as to what is an actively publishing climate scientist, (in fact one assessment weights the result by numbers of papers published by each one) is it only specific publications, are there editorial policies at work which may skew the results. What about climate scientists who are not actively publishing. Many questions were asked by email with sometimes only about a quarter responding. The list of scientific groups referred to also includes many non climate science groups, should we also consider all non climate scientists who disagree with the 'consensus'' Once again the most up to date reference is to Cook et al. These have been debunked at length in many places. In summary he rejected papers that made no indication of support or otherwise of AGW and used only publications that actually referred to AGW of which about 97% agreed with the supposed consensus. In other words just over 30% of the papers. The cat was finally out of the bag when he said that those papers that expressed no view could be assessed as accepting AGW as that was a theory that was accepted in the same way plate tectonics was accepted even when it was not mentioned. This is a classic example of by one's own bootstraps whereby you prove a consensus on a theory by saying there was a consensus on the theory. I do not know what these are but they are not proof of any form of consensus of any theory. They meet the needs of a political directive to create a consensus and I sincerely hope as a businessman you are not swayed by this naked propaganda. If you are truly so then may I say your business may not last long if you rely on such to make your future commitments.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 22, 2023 17:45:24 GMT
Great news...
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 5:30:53 GMT
UK ministers scrap energy efficiency taskforce after six months he government’s energy efficiency taskforce, charged with reducing the UK’s energy use by 15% by 2030, has been scrapped months after it was established. The group, which was overseeing an initiative to insulate homes and upgrade boilers, was announced by the chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, in his autumn statement last year as part of plans to boost investment in energy efficiency. Since it was set up in March, its membership – which included the UK’s infrastructure chief, Sir John Armitt – has met four times. It was chaired by the energy efficiency minister Lord Callanan and former NatWest chief executive Dame Alison Rose. Related: Only 22% of Britons trust Sunak on climate, finds Guardian poll Rose resigned from the banking group in July after a row over the closure of Nigel Farage’s accounts with the private bank Coutts. She quit the taskforce the same month, after a request from then energy security secretary, Grant Shapps. But, as first reported by the BBC, a letter was sent to members of the group on Friday in which Callanan said Rose would not be replaced and the group would be dissolved.
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