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Post by zanygame on Sept 17, 2023 20:11:57 GMT
Gulags?  Prisoners are sorted in camp Net Zero Yep. Ooh look new depths. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 17, 2023 21:03:35 GMT
Prisoners are sorted in camp Net Zero Yep. Ooh look new depths. Not really - a Gulag is simply a type of Prison and under law going though Parliament as we speak one of the punishments for homeowners who do not comply with Net Zero targets is one year in Prison. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 17, 2023 21:53:51 GMT
Yep. Ooh look new depths. Not really - a Gulag is simply a type of Prison and under law going though Parliament as we speak one of the punishments for homeowners who do not comply with Net Zero targets is one year in Prison. I am just waiting for the cheers and he is a jolly good fellow. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 6:32:11 GMT
Yep. Ooh look new depths. Not really - a Gulag is simply a type of Prison and under law going though Parliament as we speak one of the punishments for homeowners who do not comply with Net Zero targets is one year in Prison. Could. Of course wont, but could. But then I could do 15 years in a gulag for driving on the roads. Sigh. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 18, 2023 6:38:41 GMT
Not really - a Gulag is simply a type of Prison and under law going though Parliament as we speak one of the punishments for homeowners who do not comply with Net Zero targets is one year in Prison. Could. Of course wont, but could. But then I could do 15 years in a gulag for driving on the roads. Sigh. If you give bureaucrats power then you can be assured that at some point there will be a bureaucrat who will use it. |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 18, 2023 13:39:25 GMT
I've read / watched a lot of material on evolutionary biology. It is really interesting stuff and it makes your question your own presumptions. There is no "generational link" beyond the few generations before and after you because they are "unknown". Basically, when it comes down to it, you only really care about those with the closest genetic links (grandparents, parents, children... and interestingly the children of your siblings). You can try to take the moral high ground all you want, but that is just you misunderstanding your place in the universe. Yes people will care about things that effect them now, like air pollution, but asking them to care about something a 100+ years down the line is just pointless... not because they lack morals, but because we are just not built that way. Like I said previously, it pretty pointless worrying about distant problems because we are all doomed anyway lol. Why are you pretending climate change wont effect our grand children? Is it another excuse to not clear up the mess we have made? The only way climate change will effect my grandchildren is the pace of change to green tech, and how much of an economic cost they will have to face. Brainwashing kids into thinking they have no future is not science, it is just resorting to the tactics of a death cult. All this talk of hottest on records etc is just bollocks and irresponsible. In the couple of hundred thousands years humans have been around it has been far hotter / colder, sea levels have been far higher / lower, the ice sheets have been far bigger / smaller, CO2 levels have been higher / lower. The speed of change arguments are bollocks too, there has been rapid changes many, many times in the Earth's history, including the history of mankind... and we have found a way to live on. We will work it out, but at a responsible pace, because like I said, nobody is going to vote for policies that are designed to save generations in the distant future at the expense of making our lives more miserable. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 15:21:10 GMT
Could. Of course wont, but could. But then I could do 15 years in a gulag for driving on the roads. Sigh. If you give bureaucrats power then you can be assured that at some point there will be a bureaucrat who will use it. Bureaucrats have power in almost every aspects of our lives. You want to try running a business.  |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 18, 2023 15:26:38 GMT
Why are you pretending climate change wont effect our grand children? Is it another excuse to not clear up the mess we have made? Difficult to answer someone so out of touch with reality. Work what out you just said its all brainwashing and made up, been seen before etc. |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 19, 2023 13:14:08 GMT
Difficult to answer someone so out of touch with reality. Work what out you just said its all brainwashing and made up, been seen before etc.  It's like trying to have a conversation with a child who puts their hands over their ears when they don't like what somebody else is saying lol. NOWHERE do I deny that humans are pumping stuff into the air that is causing the temperature to rise faster than it would do otherwise. I am simply rejecting your doom mongering, and pointing out that trying to shame people into making dramatic changes to "save the planet for future generations" is bollocks, because nobody cares about generations they will never meet. Think what you are asking... make OUR ONLY LIFE worse, for some theoretical future generations that (1) you will never meet (2) might not even exist. The trouble with your stance is that you trying to say our children / grandchildren are going to experience dramatic climate change in their lifetime... which is bollocks, there will be some change, but they will adjust their lives accordingly... just like humanity has done during previous rapid changes of temperature. If you don't think there has been dramatic changes before, then you need to get out a history book! The biggest challenge my grandchildren will face is rapid population decline. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 19, 2023 15:02:24 GMT
<abbr> </abbr>The biggest challenge my grandchildren will face is rapid population decline. Not if they live in England it won't. According to the UN the population of the UK will increase by another 14 million over the course of this century, almost entirely in England.
By 2060 The UK will surpass Germany as the European country with the highest population (after Russia).
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Post by bancroft on Sept 19, 2023 17:25:47 GMT
Greenland had no ice in the 16c the Vikings settled there.
We do not know what Antartica was doing at that time due to technology gaps at the time.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 19, 2023 18:04:13 GMT
It's like trying to have a conversation with a child who puts their hands over their ears when they don't like what somebody else is saying lol. NOWHERE do I deny that humans are pumping stuff into the air that is causing the temperature to rise faster than it would do otherwise. I am simply rejecting your doom mongering, and pointing out that trying to shame people into making dramatic changes to "save the planet for future generations" is bollocks, because nobody cares about generations they will never meet. Think what you are asking... make OUR ONLY LIFE worse, for some theoretical future generations that (1) you will never meet (2) might not even exist. The trouble with your stance is that you trying to say our children / grandchildren are going to experience dramatic climate change in their lifetime... which is bollocks, there will be some change, The biggest challenge my grandchildren will face is rapid population decline. Two points your crazy argument ignores. 1, Had humans been around during those super hot or super cold periods they would have all died. 2, The population of the world demands much more control of it than 5,000 years ago. Your claims that our grandchildren (assuming we follow the deniers advice and do nothing) are going to experience "some change" is just your opinion. It is not the opinion of the experts on the subject. Would you care to name one less than 10,000 years ago? Hint: the medieval warm period was not global, but still had dramatic effects on the population. So if by adjusting their lives accordingly you mean they will suffer food shortages and new diseases stoically you might be right. I don't think they remember you kindly though. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 19, 2023 18:06:07 GMT
Greenland had no ice in the 16c the Vikings settled there. We do not know what Antartica was doing at that time due to technology gaps at the time. Well, its ice sheet is between 400,000 and 800,000 years old — so — no. Greenland only received its name because Erik the Red, founder of Greenland's first Norse Settlement, wanted to give it a name that would sound appealing to unsuspecting settlers, despite its icy conditions. |
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Post by bancroft on Sept 19, 2023 19:19:14 GMT
Greenland had no ice in the 16c the Vikings settled there. We do not know what Antartica was doing at that time due to technology gaps at the time. Well, its ice sheet is between 400,000 and 800,000 years old — so — no. Greenland only received its name because Erik the Red, founder of Greenland's first Norse Settlement, wanted to give it a name that would sound appealing to unsuspecting settlers, despite its icy conditions. Yet did its ice sheet shrink as most is on land not water like the North Pole? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 19, 2023 20:10:30 GMT
Well, its ice sheet is between 400,000 and 800,000 years old — so — no. Greenland only received its name because Erik the Red, founder of Greenland's first Norse Settlement, wanted to give it a name that would sound appealing to unsuspecting settlers, despite its icy conditions. Yet did its ice sheet shrink as most is on land not water like the North Pole? Can I have a link please. As far as I know this didn't happen. |
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