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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 16:19:27 GMT
The population of China is roughly the equivalent of 20 countries with a population of 70.5 million people. Most of these people live a very basic lifestyle and emit very little carbon. The portion of the Chinese population competing with the west, emits a great deal (as you can see) In 1962 when you last looked it up. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 16:26:38 GMT
China has built huge amounts of renewables they are also building large numbers of nuclear power stations. The coal fired ones are a stop gap. If China didn't believe in AGW they would say so, they are no ones puppet. And they certainly would not have spent $546bn on renewables. China manufactures about 30% of the worlds goods, so yes they struggle to meet our targets. And loonies like me do not accuse you of being a denier because China is burning coal. We accuse you of being a denier because you deny AGW is happening. We think you're loonies because you have this totally unproven conspiracy theory that every scientist in the world has sold his soul for next years budget. Like I said you are extremely gullible Zany. China are playing a clever game - whatever other stupid countries (like us) pledge they say they'll meet the targets 10 years later. And they never commit to anything. Per capita China emit vastly more CO2 than the UK does - and that's if you even believe what the Chinese claim. Frankly if you believe a word that comes out of China you're even more gullible than I thought. And you accuse me of being a denier because you're an idiot. You've never even begun to understand what this whole argument is about. My argument is completely consistent in that I don't believe that CO2 is the primary driver of such warming as there is - and there's absolutely no scientific evidence for these claims. You've had plenty of opportunities to show the evidence but you've never managed to find it - because there isn't any. CO2 causes minimal warming in the Earth's system. If we eliminated CO2 emissions across the world tomorrow it would have absolutely no effect. Any warming that has occurred (i.e. 1.5C since 1850) is caused by the fact that our population has increased nearly 8 fold in that time and we've repurposed 75% of the land area of the planet to support the vastly increased population - and ALL the changes that we've made cause warming. More conspiracy nonsense. China spent $585Bn on renewables to convince the west they were playing along. You don't have the tiniest scrap of evidence to back up this wild claim? You ignore everything explained to you and just keep repeating the same crap. And even your crap is wrong. China produces 8.73 tons of Co2 per capita. The U.S produces 14.24 tons of Co2 per capita I'm done answering your lies and make believes. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 13, 2023 16:44:54 GMT
Most of these people live a very basic lifestyle and emit very little carbon. The portion of the Chinese population competing with the west, emits a great deal (as you can see) In 1962 when you last looked it up. t's true today. China is a developing country ~30% of it's population live in conditions you would not to expect to find in a western country. Much of its population lives a pretty basic lifestyle or below. Only that Beijing coastal area is fully comparable with the west |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 16:55:55 GMT
In 1962 when you last looked it up. t's true today. China is a developing country ~30% of it's population live in conditions you would not to expect to find in a western country. Much of its population lives a pretty basic lifestyle or below. Only that Beijing coastal area is fully comparable with the west So 70% don't. That's a hundred million who do live in conditions you would expect to find in a western country. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 13, 2023 19:08:51 GMT
t's true today. China is a developing country ~30% of it's population live in conditions you would not to expect to find in a western country. Much of its population lives a pretty basic lifestyle or below. Only that Beijing coastal area is fully comparable with the west So 70% don't. That's a hundred million who do live in conditions you would expect to find in a western country. Just because the conditions 'can be found' in the west doesn't mean they have a high (or reasonable) standard of living by western standards. The Beijing coast area is rich (western standard), the rest not very. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 19:19:58 GMT
So 70% don't. That's a hundred million who do live in conditions you would expect to find in a western country. Just because the conditions 'can be found' in the west doesn't mean they have a high (or reasonable) standard of living by western standards. The Beijing coast area is rich (western standard), the rest not very. Of course. The numbers vary, but that makes your claim untrue as well |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 20:04:17 GMT
Like I said you are extremely gullible Zany. China are playing a clever game - whatever other stupid countries (like us) pledge they say they'll meet the targets 10 years later. And they never commit to anything. Per capita China emit vastly more CO2 than the UK does - and that's if you even believe what the Chinese claim. Frankly if you believe a word that comes out of China you're even more gullible than I thought. And you accuse me of being a denier because you're an idiot. You've never even begun to understand what this whole argument is about. My argument is completely consistent in that I don't believe that CO2 is the primary driver of such warming as there is - and there's absolutely no scientific evidence for these claims. You've had plenty of opportunities to show the evidence but you've never managed to find it - because there isn't any. CO2 causes minimal warming in the Earth's system. If we eliminated CO2 emissions across the world tomorrow it would have absolutely no effect. Any warming that has occurred (i.e. 1.5C since 1850) is caused by the fact that our population has increased nearly 8 fold in that time and we've repurposed 75% of the land area of the planet to support the vastly increased population - and ALL the changes that we've made cause warming. More conspiracy nonsense. China spent $585Bn on renewables to convince the west they were playing along. You don't have the tiniest scrap of evidence to back up this wild claim? You ignore everything explained to you and just keep repeating the same crap. And even your crap is wrong. China produces 8.73 tons of Co2 per capita. The U.S produces 14.24 tons of Co2 per capita I'm done answering your lies and make believes. Posting about co2 production or China's renewables claim doesn't actually debunk his post. All you've done is claim his "crap is wrong", yet there are a number of claims by your "official" bodies who do include environmental changes caused by human activity (farming, deforestation etc etc). Perhaps if you wasn't so motivated by emotional outbursts and ecowarriorism you could have a discussion about it. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 13, 2023 20:55:29 GMT
More conspiracy nonsense. China spent $585Bn on renewables to convince the west they were playing along. You don't have the tiniest scrap of evidence to back up this wild claim? You ignore everything explained to you and just keep repeating the same crap. And even your crap is wrong. China produces 8.73 tons of Co2 per capita. The U.S produces 14.24 tons of Co2 per capita I'm done answering your lies and make believes. Posting about co2 production or China's renewables claim doesn't actually debunk his post. All you've done is claim his "crap is wrong", yet there are a number of claims by your "official" bodies who do include environmental changes caused by human activity (farming, deforestation etc etc). Perhaps if you wasn't so motivated by emotional outbursts and ecowarriorism you could have a discussion about it. China uses a small forest per day just to provide throw away chopsticks.
130 million pairs
Let's begin with China's 1.3 billion people. In one year, they go through roughly 45 billion pairs of the throwaway utensils. That averages out to nearly 130 million pairs of chopsticks a day, according to the LA Times.
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 14, 2023 6:37:26 GMT
Like I said you are extremely gullible Zany. China are playing a clever game - whatever other stupid countries (like us) pledge they say they'll meet the targets 10 years later. And they never commit to anything. Per capita China emit vastly more CO2 than the UK does - and that's if you even believe what the Chinese claim. Frankly if you believe a word that comes out of China you're even more gullible than I thought. And you accuse me of being a denier because you're an idiot. You've never even begun to understand what this whole argument is about. My argument is completely consistent in that I don't believe that CO2 is the primary driver of such warming as there is - and there's absolutely no scientific evidence for these claims. You've had plenty of opportunities to show the evidence but you've never managed to find it - because there isn't any. CO2 causes minimal warming in the Earth's system. If we eliminated CO2 emissions across the world tomorrow it would have absolutely no effect. Any warming that has occurred (i.e. 1.5C since 1850) is caused by the fact that our population has increased nearly 8 fold in that time and we've repurposed 75% of the land area of the planet to support the vastly increased population - and ALL the changes that we've made cause warming. More conspiracy nonsense. China spent $585Bn on renewables to convince the west they were playing along. You don't have the tiniest scrap of evidence to back up this wild claim? You ignore everything explained to you and just keep repeating the same crap. And even your crap is wrong. China produces 8.73 tons of Co2 per capita. The U.S produces 14.24 tons of Co2 per capita I'm done answering your lies and make believes. China are making a fortune from selling the world crap quality renewables. When I got solar panels put on my triple garage the installer said you can use Chinese panels but they probably won't last 10 years but they're very popular because they're cheap. I went for the higher spec Panasonic panels, which are all going strong after 15 years. These cheap panels are being dumped in landfill. Btw we live in the UK - not the US. We emit roughly half the CO2 per capita that China does. Of course we've achieved that by exporting our industry and importing goods - so it's a completely false figure - but it keeps people like you happy. As for "conspiracy" I'm just taking a strictly scientific point of view. The models don't work and all the predictions made by it have proved wrong. That's all you need to know. If you still choose to believe the hypotheses on which they're built then that just shows how gullible you are. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 14, 2023 7:21:35 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 7:27:37 GMT
Posting about co2 production or China's renewables claim doesn't actually debunk his post. All you've done is claim his "crap is wrong", yet there are a number of claims by your "official" bodies who do include environmental changes caused by human activity (farming, deforestation etc etc). Perhaps if you wasn't so motivated by emotional outbursts and ecowarriorism you could have a discussion about it. China uses a small forest per day just to provide throw away chopsticks.
130 million pairs
Let's begin with China's 1.3 billion people. In one year, they go through roughly 45 billion pairs of the throwaway utensils. That averages out to nearly 130 million pairs of chopsticks a day, according to the LA Times.
Does China also grow a small forest each day to replace them? As far as I know we are being encouraged to switch to wood from plastic? |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 14, 2023 7:30:10 GMT
China uses a small forest per day just to provide throw away chopsticks.
130 million pairs
Let's begin with China's 1.3 billion people. In one year, they go through roughly 45 billion pairs of the throwaway utensils. That averages out to nearly 130 million pairs of chopsticks a day, according to the LA Times.
Does China also grow a small forest each day to replace them? As far as I know we are being encouraged to switch to wood from plastic? Well the Chinese are traditionalist they prefer wood it seems. And plastic is a bigger threat than any ECO bs. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 7:32:05 GMT
More conspiracy nonsense. China spent $585Bn on renewables to convince the west they were playing along. You don't have the tiniest scrap of evidence to back up this wild claim? You ignore everything explained to you and just keep repeating the same crap. And even your crap is wrong. China produces 8.73 tons of Co2 per capita. The U.S produces 14.24 tons of Co2 per capita I'm done answering your lies and make believes. China are making a fortune from selling the world crap quality renewables. When I got solar panels put on my triple garage the installer said you can use Chinese panels but they probably won't last 10 years but they're very popular because they're cheap. I went for the higher spec Panasonic panels, which are all going strong after 15 years. These cheap panels are being dumped in landfill. Btw we live in the UK - not the US. We emit roughly half the CO2 per capita that China does. Of course we've achieved that by exporting our industry and importing goods - so it's a completely false figure - but it keeps people like you happy. As for "conspiracy" I'm just taking a strictly scientific point of view. The models don't work and all the predictions made by it have proved wrong. That's all you need to know. If you still choose to believe the hypotheses on which they're built then that just shows how gullible you are. Yes we live in the UK, but we also live in the whole world. We in the UK have done well and I'm proud of us. America is worse than China, perhaps they are working with China's conspiracy. Lol. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 14, 2023 7:33:14 GMT
Does China also grow a small forest each day to replace them? As far as I know we are being encouraged to switch to wood from plastic? Well the Chinese are traditionalist they prefer wood it seems. And plastic is a bigger threat than any ECO bs. That's good. Don't agree with you on plastic waste being worse than exhaust waste. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 14, 2023 7:38:48 GMT
Well the Chinese are traditionalist they prefer wood it seems. And plastic is a bigger threat than any ECO bs. That's good. Don't agree with you on plastic waste being worse than exhaust waste. Exhaust gasses disperses in minutes where plastic doesent and will be around in thousands of years to come. |
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