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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 31, 2023 13:39:35 GMT
it killed more blacks, browns and most particularly mulattos too A good twenty years ago the NHS transplant service, supporting the then campaign to allow hospitals to steal the organs of the dead unless you opted out stated on the transplant patient information page that BAME individuals required almost double the number of transplants than white people because their genetics made them less well able to fight off certain diseases Whilst this vanished shortly after it was pointed out the eugenics guys were right all along, it remains a fact that they are mire susceptible So should we deny the majority white population access to the NHS to give blacks better facilities to treat their inhrtent genetic weaknesses ?? I never mentioned denying treatment. I said we need to sort out the problem before it is too late and NHS collapses. eg scrap VAT on gym memberships, higher taxes on high sugar / junk food, increase tax on alcohol, yearly health check with advise, could even give people a life expectancy figure. Obesity is a choice, it is a choice to eat too much and exercise too little. yet that is the preferred way for the left to ‘solve’ the problem isn’t it. You may not have said it. But plenty do |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 13:56:18 GMT
Maybe the banning of mobility scooters would be a move forward for those who chose to become obesity figures of their own choice Dave? Well that was an epic fail at virtue signaling on your part lol. I repeat, NOWHERE did I mention withholding treatment / services. You should read what is actually written and maybe offer a solution... instead of wasting time on pathetic signaling. You do understand that there won't be an NHS if we don't tackle the obesity problem right? No virtual signalling on my part. I know only too well that the NHS in its present form is unerstainable and they are bringing about their own demise. The NHS in its present form is dying on its feet and its just a matter of time. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 31, 2023 14:01:46 GMT
At the time , I understood that the nightingale centres were supposed to be the places where the overspill of critical patients would be treated or where the bodies were stored . No one has the faintest idea how many people were going to die . Also the idea was to get as many respirators as we could to treat the critical patients ( not always a good idea but they didn’t know it at the time ) and there wasn’t wasn’t many of them around . I see some are advocating that these buildings could be erected fast. We have always had this knowhow. What's the point of fast construction if those buildings are never ever used? Probably none now but at the time no one knew if they were going to be needed and for what use . Let’s face it , they could have ended up as mortuaries . |
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 17:27:43 GMT
Indeed, quite a few former staff did return to help out. Unfortunately with the current underesourcing of the NHS, this was never going to be enough for extra facilities. However we have learned a lesson that it is possible to construct something like this in short order, but we would need to have sufficient staff to run it. As Monte said, not a bad lesson to learn, better to have done it but not needed it. The NHS is under-resourced because they've opened it up to the world. It's not just that we have had massive immigration over the last decade, but our open borders mean that the we now have an endemic problem with "health tourism". People come here to get a treatment and then leave without paying. The reason for this is that the NHS has no mechanism for charging people - and GPs and doctors are mainly Lefties who actually don't think that illegals should pay for treatment - so they just flag them on their forms as "eligible for NHS treatment". . . . Complete rubbish The NHS would collapse without the disproportionate use of nurses and doctors born outside the UK. And health tourism is a trivial sub % issue fullfact.org/health/health-tourism-whats-bill/ |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 31, 2023 19:20:55 GMT
Some sort of penalty for these? Perhaps a top up insurance based on your health? But why did they build knightingail hospitals which were never used? Because they had no idea how many people were going to get sick. Scarily according to a consultant friend of ours the nightingale hospitals were to be beds to die in. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 31, 2023 19:25:46 GMT
There were, but we started off with a deficit of over 100,000, plus then you need to factor in those unable to work because either they had Covid or had contact with someone who had Covid. The idea that we had staff for these extra facilities is wrong. We had staff coming out of ears. They had no contact with others as we were in lockdown. Seriously mate, they didn't I have several family in the NHS and they were doing 14 hour shifts. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 31, 2023 19:28:24 GMT
it killed more blacks, browns and most particularly mulattos too A good twenty years ago the NHS transplant service, supporting the then campaign to allow hospitals to steal the organs of the dead unless you opted out stated on the transplant patient information page that BAME individuals required almost double the number of transplants than white people because their genetics made them less well able to fight off certain diseases Whilst this vanished shortly after it was pointed out the eugenics guys were right all along, it remains a fact that they are mire susceptible So should we deny the majority white population access to the NHS to give blacks better facilities to treat their inhrtent genetic weaknesses ?? I lost my first partner and the love of my life who was west Indian and she succumbed to the dreaded sickle cell. That is one of the reasons John that I resent being labeled as a racist. I'm so sorry Jonsky. Can't imagine losing my wife. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 31, 2023 19:34:28 GMT
We had staff coming out of ears. They had no contact with others as we were in lockdown. Seriously mate, they didn't I have several family in the NHS and they were doing 14 hour shifts. How many shifts per week ?. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 19:55:08 GMT
One of the issues with the Nightingales was getting staff to man them. The NHS assumed staff would happily travel across London on the somewhat Covid infested underground and buses to get to the one in Docklands. Well turns out many wouldn't.
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 19:56:21 GMT
I lost my first partner and the love of my life who was west Indian and she succumbed to the dreaded sickle cell. That is one of the reasons John that I resent being labeled as a racist. I'm so sorry Jonsky. Can't imagine losing my wife. seconded. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 20:12:40 GMT
We had staff coming out of ears. They had no contact with others as we were in lockdown. Seriously mate, they didn't I have several family in the NHS and they were doing 14 hour shifts. I know the score both my partner and her daughter are nurses in the NHS. I was reffering to the abundance of staff we could have had manning the knightingail hospitals. There has never ever been one winter for years where the NHS have not been overwhelmed. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 31, 2023 20:13:14 GMT
Seriously mate, they didn't I have several family in the NHS and they were doing 14 hour shifts. How many shifts per week ?. My nephew Paul was doing 4 a week. My daughter in law 3 a week. Our consultant friend moved into hospital accommodation and was doing 70 hour weeks. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 20:15:22 GMT
I lost my first partner and the love of my life who was west Indian and she succumbed to the dreaded sickle cell. That is one of the reasons John that I resent being labeled as a racist. I'm so sorry Jonsky. Can't imagine losing my wife. They say time is the greatest healer and the years seem to go nuy like a rocket. It is te 26th aniversary of princess Dianas death today. Where have those years gone it seems only yesterday. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 31, 2023 20:17:05 GMT
How many shifts per week ?. My nephew Paul was doing 4 a week. My daughter in law 3 a week. Our consultant friend moved into hospital accommodation and was doing 70 hour weeks. 4 a week / 3 days off and overtime 3 a week/ 4 days off . My heart bleeds . Consultant or registrar? |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 31, 2023 20:19:28 GMT
Seriously mate, they didn't I have several family in the NHS and they were doing 14 hour shifts. I know the score both my partner and her daughter are nurses in the NHS. I was reffering to the abundance of staff we could have had manning the knightingail hospitals. There has never ever been one winter for years where the NHS have not been overwhelmed. The trouble with the nightingales was that they didn't have the skilled staff spare in the NHS to staff them. The people like my wife (Retired Neuro radiographer) who volunteered is that there wasn't really anything they could help with. A bit of house to house for elderly people who had contracted Covid but were not hospitalised but spare parts really. |
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