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Post by Pacifico on Aug 30, 2023 21:18:52 GMT
Sweden ended up not doing too bad - Oz got off to a good start but then ended up in the same boat as everyone else.  I notice that this went ignored. Didn't fit the mantra.. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 0:02:00 GMT
It matters to the poor buggers that die and also bothers their loved ones and family. Would you accept a death by suicide deemed as heart failure etc? As i explained, while respiratory disease might well finish off those at the end of their lives it can only do so because old age means their organs are not functioning well enough to keep them alive. Pneumonia in its various viral forms is an easier explanation on a death certificate than .. The patient hand a heart failure rate of 75%, due to this their blood flow was poor and because of that there kidneys are failing. We gave the patient water retention pills but these place unusual pressure on their liver. We gave them pills for this but is subdues their immune system, so they were vulnerable to infections. How many children do you think really want to know that mum died of multiple organ failure due to old age? I know it wasn't zany, but how many people died whithout any organ failure but on their death certificates it stated death by covid. We never know how many died during the pandemic because the utterly waste of space NHS management were more concerned about monky pox than the millions who were waiting treatment or dianosis for other ailments like cancer etc. The NHS to their total dshonesty were guilty of using covid as a free get out of jail card for their own ineptitude of their management or lack of. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 0:10:24 GMT
Sweden ended up not doing too bad - Oz got off to a good start but then ended up in the same boat as everyone else. Sweden did very badly compared to other Scandinavia countries. Which is why they went from voluntary lockdowns (the conformist Swede's mostly obeyed) to increasingly compulsory ones |
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 0:12:10 GMT
But strangely enugh no flu deaths were recorded during the covid crisis. They say that the truth is stranger than fiction. There were 14,000 flu deaths recorded in 2020. They were down considerably of previous years because Covid was killing them instead. It wasn't just that, the lockdowns also suppressed flu infections (sort of obvious really) and then deaths and one of the reasons for the extra deaths this last year has been the bounce back from that suppression |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 31, 2023 0:16:40 GMT
The other thing nobody has mentioned...
It didn't just kill the old... it killed the unhealthy in large numbers.
The NHS is going to collapse in a few decades because the sheer number of fat, unhealthy fuckers we have in this country. Forget the next pandemic, we need to sort the fatties, drinkers, smokers, druggies, and sugar addicts out first!!
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Post by zanygame on Aug 31, 2023 6:15:45 GMT
That wasn't want I meant Jonsky. As i explained, while respiratory disease might well finish off those at the end of their lives it can only do so because old age means their organs are not functioning well enough to keep them alive. Pneumonia in its various viral forms is an easier explanation on a death certificate than .. The patient hand a heart failure rate of 75%, due to this their blood flow was poor and because of that there kidneys are failing. We gave the patient water retention pills but these place unusual pressure on their liver. We gave them pills for this but is subdues their immune system, so they were vulnerable to infections. How many children do you think really want to know that mum died of multiple organ failure due to old age? I know it wasn't zany, but how many people died whithout any organ failure but on their death certificates it stated death by covid. We never know how many died during the pandemic because the utterly waste of space NHS management were more concerned about monky pox than the millions who were waiting treatment or dianosis for other ailments like cancer etc. The NHS to their total dshonesty were guilty of using covid as a free get out of jail card for their own ineptitude of their management or lack of. Ah I get your point Jonsky. A tricky one, how do start someone's chemotherapy when any contact with a raging virus would almost certainly end your patients life while they were on it? That's not a decision I would want to make. I don't agree it was ineptitude. I know how much everyone was stretched during the pandemic. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 31, 2023 6:17:02 GMT
The other thing nobody has mentioned... It didn't just kill the old... it killed the unhealthy in large numbers. The NHS is going to collapse in a few decades because the sheer number of fat, unhealthy fuckers we have in this country. Forget the next pandemic, we need to sort the fatties, drinkers, smokers, druggies, and sugar addicts out first!! Some sort of penalty for these? Perhaps a top up insurance based on your health? |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 6:23:52 GMT
The other thing nobody has mentioned... It didn't just kill the old... it killed the unhealthy in large numbers. The NHS is going to collapse in a few decades because the sheer number of fat, unhealthy fuckers we have in this country. Forget the next pandemic, we need to sort the fatties, drinkers, smokers, druggies, and sugar addicts out first!! Some sort of penalty for these? Perhaps a top up insurance based on your health? But why did they build knightingail hospitals which were never used? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Aug 31, 2023 7:43:40 GMT
Some sort of penalty for these? Perhaps a top up insurance based on your health? But why did they build knightingail hospitals which were never used? Because they saw the Italian health system (one of the top ranked in the world) hopelessly unable to cope with the number of patients they were getting. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 7:52:06 GMT
But why did they build knightingail hospitals which were never used? Because they saw the Italian health system (one of the top ranked in the world) hopelessly unable to cope with the number of patients they were getting. But they were never used. It wasn't for the need of staff as thousands of ex NHS workers stepped up to the plate. And the NHS couldn't say it was lack of experience as both those who offered their services and the current NHS staff at the time were in the same boat. We had seen nothing like this for well over a century when Spanish flu was rampant. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Aug 31, 2023 8:38:27 GMT
Better to have a Nightingale hospital and not need it that to need a Nightingale hospital and not have it.
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 9:16:09 GMT
Better to have a Nightingale hospital and not need it that to need a Nightingale hospital and not have it. Exactly and anyway a few were used. I wonder how many people who moan about the Nightingales also moan about having unused spare tyres in their cars. It's as illogical. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 31, 2023 9:53:16 GMT
Better to have a Nightingale hospital and not need it that to need a Nightingale hospital and not have it. So is that the one thing the far-right, white-supremicst, hard-hitting Brexit nationalist party got right? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Aug 31, 2023 10:19:18 GMT
Better to have a Nightingale hospital and not need it that to need a Nightingale hospital and not have it. So is that the one thing the far-right, white-supremicst, hard-hitting Brexit nationalist party got right? No. The vaccine roll out was a credit to them and the NHS. There were some huge wastes of money like track and trace and sub-standard PPE procurement and the eat out to help out scheme was misguided. The lockdowns were too little too late and too inconsistent. Boris seemingly caring more about saving Christmas than saving lives. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 10:26:41 GMT
Looking back that 'eat out to help out' was such a huge risk and a big mistake we should learn from. But an understandable one as there was no win win position and a balance of risk position was needed. Like many I went out for meals then and was lucky. Some I know weren't and some were very ill.
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