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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 31, 2023 11:55:47 GMT
Because they saw the Italian health system (one of the top ranked in the world) hopelessly unable to cope with the number of patients they were getting. But they were never used. It wasn't for the need of staff as thousands of ex NHS workers stepped up to the plate. And the NHS couldn't say it was lack of experience as both those who offered their services and the current NHS staff at the time were in the same boat. We had seen nothing like this for well over a century when Spanish flu was rampant. Indeed, quite a few former staff did return to help out. Unfortunately with the current underesourcing of the NHS, this was never going to be enough for extra facilities. However we have learned a lesson that it is possible to construct something like this in short order, but we would need to have sufficient staff to run it. As Monte said, not a bad lesson to learn, better to have done it but not needed it. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 11:58:20 GMT
But they were never used. It wasn't for the need of staff as thousands of ex NHS workers stepped up to the plate. And the NHS couldn't say it was lack of experience as both those who offered their services and the current NHS staff at the time were in the same boat. We had seen nothing like this for well over a century when Spanish flu was rampant. Indeed, quite a few former staff did return to help out. Unfortunately with the current underesourcing of the NHS, this was never going to be enough for extra facilities. However we have learned a lesson that it is possible to construct something like this in short order, but we would need to have sufficient staff to run it. As Monte said, not a bad lesson to learn, better to have done it but not needed it. There were thousands of ex NHS workers who stepped up to the plate and thousands more from the private sector. Manpower was not an issue. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 31, 2023 12:05:30 GMT
There were, but we started off with a deficit of over 100,000, plus then you need to factor in those unable to work because either they had Covid or had contact with someone who had Covid. The idea that we had staff for these extra facilities is wrong.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 12:16:21 GMT
There were, but we started off with a deficit of over 100,000, plus then you need to factor in those unable to work because either they had Covid or had contact with someone who had Covid. The idea that we had staff for these extra facilities is wrong. We had staff coming out of ears. They had no contact with others as we were in lockdown. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 31, 2023 12:26:33 GMT
At the time , I understood that the nightingale centres were supposed to be the places where the overspill of critical patients would be treated or where the bodies were stored .
No one has the faintest idea how many people were going to die .
Also the idea was to get as many respirators as we could to treat the critical patients ( not always a good idea but they didn’t know it at the time ) and there wasn’t wasn’t many of them around .
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 31, 2023 12:35:49 GMT
The other thing nobody has mentioned... It didn't just kill the old... it killed the unhealthy in large numbers. The NHS is going to collapse in a few decades because the sheer number of fat, unhealthy fuckers we have in this country. Forget the next pandemic, we need to sort the fatties, drinkers, smokers, druggies, and sugar addicts out first!! it killed more blacks, browns and most particularly mulattos too A good twenty years ago the NHS transplant service, supporting the then campaign to allow hospitals to steal the organs of the dead unless you opted out stated on the transplant patient information page that BAME individuals required almost double the number of transplants than white people because their genetics made them less well able to fight off certain diseases Whilst this vanished shortly after it was pointed out the eugenics guys were right all along, it remains a fact that they are mire susceptible So should we deny the majority white population access to the NHS to give blacks better facilities to treat their inhrtent genetic weaknesses ?? |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 12:36:33 GMT
At the time , I understood that the nightingale centres were supposed to be the places where the overspill of critical patients would be treated or where the bodies were stored . No one has the faintest idea how many people were going to die . Also the idea was to get as many respirators as we could to treat the critical patients ( not always a good idea but they didn’t know it at the time ) and there wasn’t wasn’t many of them around . I see some are advocating that these buildings could be erected fast. We have always had this knowhow. What's the point of fast construction if those buildings are never ever used? |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 12:39:58 GMT
The other thing nobody has mentioned... It didn't just kill the old... it killed the unhealthy in large numbers. The NHS is going to collapse in a few decades because the sheer number of fat, unhealthy fuckers we have in this country. Forget the next pandemic, we need to sort the fatties, drinkers, smokers, druggies, and sugar addicts out first!! it killed more blacks, browns and most particularly mulattos too A good twenty years ago the NHS transplant service, supporting the then campaign to allow hospitals to steal the organs of the dead unless you opted out stated on the transplant patient information page that BAME individuals required almost double the number of transplants than white people because their genetics made them less well able to fight off certain diseases Whilst this vanished shortly after it was pointed out the eugenics guys were right all along, it remains a fact that they are mire susceptible So should we deny the majority white population access to the NHS to give blacks better facilities to treat their inhrtent genetic weaknesses ?? I lost my first partner and the love of my life who was west Indian and she succumbed to the dreaded sickle cell. That is one of the reasons John that I resent being labeled as a racist. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 31, 2023 12:53:52 GMT
But they were never used. It wasn't for the need of staff as thousands of ex NHS workers stepped up to the plate. And the NHS couldn't say it was lack of experience as both those who offered their services and the current NHS staff at the time were in the same boat. We had seen nothing like this for well over a century when Spanish flu was rampant. Indeed, quite a few former staff did return to help out. Unfortunately with the current underesourcing of the NHS, this was never going to be enough for extra facilities. However we have learned a lesson that it is possible to construct something like this in short order, but we would need to have sufficient staff to run it. As Monte said, not a bad lesson to learn, better to have done it but not needed it. The NHS is under-resourced because they've opened it up to the world. It's not just that we have had massive immigration over the last decade, but our open borders mean that the we now have an endemic problem with "health tourism". People come here to get a treatment and then leave without paying. The reason for this is that the NHS has no mechanism for charging people - and GPs and doctors are mainly Lefties who actually don't think that illegals should pay for treatment - so they just flag them on their forms as "eligible for NHS treatment". The NHS needs a completely separate department to check patients for eligibility and refuse treatment for those who are ineligible. That's been obvious for years. The other problem - which again is obvious and has been for decades - is that the immigrants who are flooding into this country put a much greater burden on the NHS than indigenous Brits. For a start they usually come with pre-existing health problems - for the simple reason that they're usually coming from countries with no free health care. The other problem is that, if they come from muslim countries, they usually have genetic problems because of inbreeding which are difficult to treat - and various races (like Asians) are more vulnerable to very expensive health problems like diabetes. Blacks are subject to loads of untreatable conditions like sickle cell, which is again costly. Yet the Lefties just wave these people in to our country - and treat them free. And then they complain that the NHS can't treat everybody. It's fucking ridiculous. So what do we learn from Covid? Apparently absolutely nothing judging by this thread. Surely it's obvious: - Stop "gain of function" virus experimentation - Don't believe "pseudo-science" that plainly doesn't work - Stop the NHS treating people who are ineligible - Halt immigration from people who can't support themselves - Do NOT give free health care to asylum seekers or immigrants UNTIL they have paid tax for a required number of years. Which is just what any modern country should do. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 31, 2023 12:57:45 GMT
So is that the one thing the far-right, white-supremicst, hard-hitting Brexit nationalist party got right? No. The vaccine roll out was a credit to them and the NHS. There were some huge wastes of money like track and trace and sub-standard PPE procurement and the eat out to help out scheme was misguided. The lockdowns were too little too late and too inconsistent. Boris seemingly caring more about saving Christmas than saving lives. Hang on, you said track and trace was a huge waste of money and then you say Boris seemed to care about saving Christmas more than lives? lol. Track and trace only "wasted" around £80m (the app). The £37b figure quoted by the left was a budget and not amount spent, of which 80% was for mass testing... do you think mass testing was a "huge waste of money"? Nobody else did... It wasn't Boris, it was the people that were desperate to have a xmas with their families as their mental health had took such a bashing, and he was listening to them. The eat out to help out scheme was fucking excellent. It saved many businesses from going bust, and again, it helped with peoples mental health. Yes it was tragic the amount of people that died, but mass harm was also being done by the restrictions and lockdowns. We have basically crippled our economy for decades to save old people. Anybody that was pro-lockdown and pro-restrictions MUST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY for their actions, and stop trying to blame it all on the Tories. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 31, 2023 13:11:13 GMT
So is that the one thing the far-right, white-supremicst, hard-hitting Brexit nationalist party got right? There were some huge wastes of money like track and trace and sub-standard PPE procurement and the eat out to help out scheme was misguided. The lockdowns were too little too late and too inconsistent. Boris seemingly caring more about saving Christmas than saving lives. Bollocks. As DD said above the costs of Track and Trace have been completely misrepresented and it was a small fraction of what the Left have claimed. The Lockdowns were not too late - they were pointless. They were also the cause of MORE deaths than Covid. You haven't even understood the basics - as usual. The problem with Track and Trace is that it only works if you have a very small number of infected people. By the time we knew about Covid (about 2 months after the infection started in China) it was already all over the UK. Track and Trace was pointless. There's just so much ignorance about this subject it's unbelievable. As someone once said: no one ever went bust by underestimating the intelligence of the population. This thread is an example. We've spent years being inundated with info about Covid on the media and most people are none the wiser. It's oartly the media of course but .... |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 31, 2023 13:11:50 GMT
The other thing nobody has mentioned... It didn't just kill the old... it killed the unhealthy in large numbers. The NHS is going to collapse in a few decades because the sheer number of fat, unhealthy fuckers we have in this country. Forget the next pandemic, we need to sort the fatties, drinkers, smokers, druggies, and sugar addicts out first!! it killed more blacks, browns and most particularly mulattos too A good twenty years ago the NHS transplant service, supporting the then campaign to allow hospitals to steal the organs of the dead unless you opted out stated on the transplant patient information page that BAME individuals required almost double the number of transplants than white people because their genetics made them less well able to fight off certain diseases Whilst this vanished shortly after it was pointed out the eugenics guys were right all along, it remains a fact that they are mire susceptible So should we deny the majority white population access to the NHS to give blacks better facilities to treat their inhrtent genetic weaknesses ?? I never mentioned denying treatment. I said we need to sort out the problem before it is too late and NHS collapses. eg scrap VAT on gym memberships, higher taxes on high sugar / junk food, increase tax on alcohol, yearly health check with advise, could even give people a life expectancy figure. Obesity is a choice, it is a choice to eat too much and exercise too little. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 31, 2023 13:24:12 GMT
it killed more blacks, browns and most particularly mulattos too A good twenty years ago the NHS transplant service, supporting the then campaign to allow hospitals to steal the organs of the dead unless you opted out stated on the transplant patient information page that BAME individuals required almost double the number of transplants than white people because their genetics made them less well able to fight off certain diseases Whilst this vanished shortly after it was pointed out the eugenics guys were right all along, it remains a fact that they are mire susceptible So should we deny the majority white population access to the NHS to give blacks better facilities to treat their inhrtent genetic weaknesses ?? I never mentioned denying treatment. I said we need to sort out the problem before it is too late and NHS collapses. eg scrap VAT on gym memberships, higher taxes on high sugar / junk food, increase tax on alcohol, yearly health check with advise, could even give people a life expectancy figure. Obesity is a choice, it is a choice to eat too much and exercise too little. Maybe the banning of mobility scooters would be a move forward for those who chose to become obesity figures of their own choice Dave? |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 31, 2023 13:27:47 GMT
There were, but we started off with a deficit of over 100,000, plus then you need to factor in those unable to work because either they had Covid or had contact with someone who had Covid. The idea that we had staff for these extra facilities is wrong. 100,000 vacant positions is not the same thing as not having enough staff. A lot of the normal NHS work was cancelled, so there was staff galore, hence we never got overwhelmed and needed the Nightingales. BTW that 100,000 figure was the result of rapid population growth as the EU flood gates were opened and all government services struggled to cope with an unknown, unplanned, increase in the population (which turned out to be 6 million plus!) ie demand was outstripping supply. We went into the pandemic with record numbers of NHS staff... www.statista.com/statistics/679976/number-of-nurses-nhs-hchs-workforce-england/The problem with mass immigration is that yes, there is more people putting into the system, but the average tax payer has already put in £120,000, which has laid the foundation for the services they need. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 31, 2023 13:30:51 GMT
I never mentioned denying treatment. I said we need to sort out the problem before it is too late and NHS collapses. eg scrap VAT on gym memberships, higher taxes on high sugar / junk food, increase tax on alcohol, yearly health check with advise, could even give people a life expectancy figure. Obesity is a choice, it is a choice to eat too much and exercise too little. Maybe the banning of mobility scooters would be a move forward for those who chose to become obesity figures of their own choice Dave? Well that was an epic fail at virtue signaling on your part lol. I repeat, NOWHERE did I mention withholding treatment / services. You should read what is actually written and maybe offer a solution... instead of wasting time on pathetic signaling. You do understand that there won't be an NHS if we don't tackle the obesity problem right? |
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